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  • Quote Low D

Re: An Article on Eric Bogle

Post by Low D Wed May 27, 2009 5:50 pm

philipchevron wrote:He appears to have heard all of Rum, Sodomy and the Lash. Oh well, ho hum, can't please all the people all the time.



Maybe he's just subconsciously bitter that you all recorded the definitive version of his greatest song.

(Sorry, just being catty on your behalf).
[quote="philipchevron"]
He appears to have heard all of [i]Rum, Sodomy and the Lash[/i]. Oh well, ho hum, can't please all the people all the time.[/quote]


Maybe he's just subconsciously bitter that you all recorded the definitive version of [i]his[/i] greatest song.

(Sorry, just being catty on your behalf).
  • Quote philipchevron

Re: An Article on Eric Bogle

Post by philipchevron Mon May 25, 2009 5:47 pm

Low D wrote:
firehazard wrote:
Eric Bogle wrote:I THOUGHT THE POGUES GENERALLY WERE A BUNCH OF IRISH PUB MUSICIANS WHO GOT LUCKY


Oh dear. Wrong in so many ways that it's almost impossible to count.


Maybe he only heard them in early demos. With plugged ears due to a real bad ear infection. While whacked out on painkillers for same.


He appears to have heard all of Rum, Sodomy and the Lash. Oh well, ho hum, can't please all the people all the time.
[quote="Low D"][quote="firehazard"][quote="Eric Bogle"]I THOUGHT THE POGUES GENERALLY WERE A BUNCH OF IRISH PUB MUSICIANS WHO GOT LUCKY[/quote]

Oh dear. Wrong in so many ways that it's almost impossible to count.
[/quote]

Maybe he only heard them in early demos. With plugged ears due to a real bad ear infection. While whacked out on painkillers for same.[/quote]

He appears to have heard all of [i]Rum, Sodomy and the Lash[/i]. Oh well, ho hum, can't please all the people all the time.
  • Quote Low D

Re: An Article on Eric Bogle

Post by Low D Mon May 25, 2009 5:14 pm

firehazard wrote:
Eric Bogle wrote:I THOUGHT THE POGUES GENERALLY WERE A BUNCH OF IRISH PUB MUSICIANS WHO GOT LUCKY


Oh dear. Wrong in so many ways that it's almost impossible to count.


Maybe he only heard them in early demos. With plugged ears due to a real bad ear infection. While whacked out on painkillers for same.
[quote="firehazard"][quote="Eric Bogle"]I THOUGHT THE POGUES GENERALLY WERE A BUNCH OF IRISH PUB MUSICIANS WHO GOT LUCKY[/quote]

Oh dear. Wrong in so many ways that it's almost impossible to count.
[/quote]

Maybe he only heard them in early demos. With plugged ears due to a real bad ear infection. While whacked out on painkillers for same.
  • Quote firehazard

Re: An Article on Eric Bogle

Post by firehazard Mon May 25, 2009 9:57 am

Eric Bogle wrote:I THOUGHT THE POGUES GENERALLY WERE A BUNCH OF IRISH PUB MUSICIANS WHO GOT LUCKY


Oh dear. Wrong in so many ways that it's almost impossible to count.

There are levels of just plain wrongness that are beyond human comprehension.

I'm supposed to be going to see Mr Bogle this summer...
[quote="Eric Bogle"]I THOUGHT THE POGUES GENERALLY WERE A BUNCH OF IRISH PUB MUSICIANS WHO GOT LUCKY[/quote]

Oh dear. Wrong in so many ways that it's almost impossible to count.

There are levels of just plain wrongness that are beyond human comprehension.

I'm supposed to be going to see Mr Bogle this summer...
  • Quote Low D

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Post by Low D Sun May 24, 2009 5:21 pm

goodbar wrote:i love a lot of bogle's stuff but i really don't like the rest.


I find it a bit hit & miss, a lot is really too "emotional", as he says. I really dig a bunch of the songs on "When The Wind Blows", esp. the title track & "Hard Hard Times". A little more hard-bitten than some of his songs about dead & dying abandoned seniors, forgotten soldiers, etc. I have seen him play live, though, and they put on a great show and he is *hilarious* and really a lot of fun.
[quote="goodbar"]i love a lot of bogle's stuff but i really don't like the rest.[/quote]

I find it a bit hit & miss, a lot is really too "emotional", as he says. I really dig a bunch of the songs on "When The Wind Blows", esp. the title track & "Hard Hard Times". A little more hard-bitten than some of his songs about dead & dying abandoned seniors, forgotten soldiers, etc. I have seen him play live, though, and they put on a great show and he is *hilarious* and really a lot of fun.
  • Quote johnfoyle

Re: An Article on Eric Bogle

Post by johnfoyle Sun May 24, 2009 4:43 pm

Jan , a Finnish journalist, asks me to pass this on -

24 May, 2009

I just made an interview per email with Eric Bogle - a Scottish born singer-songwriter, living in Australia – who’s song And The Band Played Waltzing Matilda was covered by The Pogues on the Costello produced Rum, Sodomy & The Lash album.

He’s on his way to the UK, for what I’ve understood might be his last tour, so I think he’s worth promoting – here are the tour dates + some spamples + info:

http://www.ents24.com/web/artist/9258/Eric_Bogle.html

http://www.myspace.com/ericbogle

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOdHNGG9yWU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeXrwBjiDVU

http://www.ericbogle.net/concerts/index.htm

http://www.ericbogle.net/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Bogle

http://www.musicscotland.com/cd/eric-bo ... tland.html

http://www.musicscotland.com/cd/eric-bo ... tland.html

http://www.greentrax.com/index.htm

I’m afraid those samples from his new CD are the wrong speed, really.

But for example June Tabor’s version of this “Waltzing Matilda” song of his – the fourth link above – is really pretty nice.

It’s hard to find stuff on the net that does his songwriting justice, though.

And here below are some bits of my interview, that might or might not interest the list - I don’t necessarily agree with his views on The Pogues, having quite liked them on record. But then again, it was a true joy to interview someone as frank and undiplopmatic as Bogle.

Jan

--

6. Are there any pop or rock songwriters you’ve liked? (I think a song like Elvis Costello’s Monkey To Man could’ve almost been written by you. Same thing with Ray Davies songs like Dedicated Follower Of Fashion or She Bought A Hat Like Princess Marina – maybe Well Respected Man, too, or even Celluloid Heroes.)

I CONFESS I DON'T KNOW MANY ROCK SONGWRITERS. I LIKED ELVIS COSTELLO BETTER WHEN HE WAS DECLAN MCMANUS, FOLK SINGER. BUT HE STILL WRITES SOME VERY GOOD SONGS. OF THE CURRENT CROP, I LIKE RUFUS WAINRIGHT, ALTHOUGH HE'S NOT HALF THE SONGWRITER HIS FATHER IS.

--

8. Over here, The Pogues have been pretty huge, and many people have probably heard their version of And The Band Played Waltzing Matilda – the first time I ever heard your songwriting, it was an old friend of mine who played me that record, and he absolutely loved that song, but probably had no idea who you were.

But I’ve understood you didn’t really like that album too much, yourself? Did you see The Pogues as too much of a drunken novelty act, or as being disrespectful of the folk tradition, or so?

I REALLY LIKE THE WAY MCGOWAN SINGS "MATILDA", HE STRIKES THE RIGHT NOTE BETWEEN ANGER AND MELANCHOLY. DIDN'T CARE MUCH FOR THE REST OF THE LP.

I THOUGHT THE POGUES GENERALLY WERE A BUNCH OF IRISH PUB MUSICIANS WHO GOT LUCKY, BUT I DON'T BEGRUDGE THEM THAT. AS TO DISRESPECT, NO, I DON'T THINK THEY DISRESPECTED THE FOLK TRADITION, WHATEVER THAT IS, JUST INTERPRETED IT THEIR WAY, WHICH A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKED AND A LOT OF PEOPLE DIDN'T. I LIKED THEM LIVE, LOTS OF ENERGY AND EXCITEMENT. LISTENING TO A CD OF THEIRS HOWEVER WAS A DIFFERENT KETTLE OF FISH. QUITE BORING REALLY. GENERALLY THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE STANDARD OF MUSICIANSHIP THAT COULD HOLD YOUR ATTENTION FOR TOO LONG WITHOUT THE MANIC VISUALS OF THEIR LIVE ACT.

--

13. You’ve tackled the problems of the Australian Aborigines in songs like Poor Bugger Charlie and Something Of Value – how have these songs been received in Australia?

WELL ENOUGH. I THINK OLD AUSTRALIAN ATTITUDES TOWARDS ABORIGINES ARE CHANGING FAST. THERE'S STILL RACISM OF COURSE, WHAT COUNTRY DOESN'T HAVE RACISM? BUT IT'S NOT SYSTEMATIC OR INSTITUTIONALISED LIKE IT USED TO BE, JUST A LINGERING ECHO OF PAST PREJUDICES.

--

15. I’ve sometimes kind of been bunching you together with other more or less folk related songwriters like Richard Thompson, Loudon Wainwright III and T-Bone Burnett. Are you familiar with their work, and if so, do you feel any kind of kinship, or so?

I KNOW WAINRIGHT AND THOMPSON'S MUSIC PRETTY WELL, BURNETT'S LESS SO. I DON'T MIND BEING PUT IN THE SAME SENTENCE AS THOSE SONGWRITERS, A PRETTY FAIR BUNCH OF WRITERS. AS FELLOW SONGWRITERS YES, I FEEL A SENSE OF KINSHIP WITH THEM. AND SYMPATHY.

--

22. I’ve understood that And The Band Played Waltzing Matilda originally had many more verses, but that it was drastically shortened down. Have you ever thought of recording the longer, original version, now later on, when you’ve had more of an audience? Or at least publishing the lyrics?

And how long was the longest version of it? And what did you leave out?

THE ORIGINAL VERSION HAD 8 VERSES AND LASTED ABOUT 14 MINUTES. AS I WROTE IT BACK IN 1971, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE ORIGINAL LYRICS AT ALL, SO I COULDN'T RECORD OR PUBLISH THEM EVEN IF I WANTED TO, WHICH I DON'T. THE PAST IS ANOTHER COUNTRY ETC.

--

27. If I’d ask you for 10 steps for saving the world, what might they be?

ONLY ONE. BANISH RACISM, EVERYTHING ELSE WILL FOLLOW.

--
Jan , a Finnish journalist, asks me to pass this on -

24 May, 2009

I just made an interview per email with Eric Bogle - a Scottish born singer-songwriter, living in Australia – who’s song And The Band Played Waltzing Matilda was covered by The Pogues on the Costello produced Rum, Sodomy & The Lash album.

He’s on his way to the UK, for what I’ve understood might be his last tour, so I think he’s worth promoting – here are the tour dates + some spamples + info:

http://www.ents24.com/web/artist/9258/Eric_Bogle.html

http://www.myspace.com/ericbogle

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOdHNGG9yWU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeXrwBjiDVU

http://www.ericbogle.net/concerts/index.htm

http://www.ericbogle.net/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Bogle

http://www.musicscotland.com/cd/eric-bogle-the-dreamer-cd-musicscotland.html

http://www.musicscotland.com/cd/eric-bogle-live-at-stonyfell-winery-dvd-musicscotland.html

http://www.greentrax.com/index.htm

I’m afraid those samples from his new CD are the wrong speed, really.

But for example June Tabor’s version of this “Waltzing Matilda” song of his – the fourth link above – is really pretty nice.

It’s hard to find stuff on the net that does his songwriting justice, though.

And here below are some bits of my interview, that might or might not interest the list - I don’t necessarily agree with his views on The Pogues, having quite liked them on record. But then again, it was a true joy to interview someone as frank and undiplopmatic as Bogle.

Jan

--

6. Are there any pop or rock songwriters you’ve liked? (I think a song like Elvis Costello’s Monkey To Man could’ve almost been written by you. Same thing with Ray Davies songs like Dedicated Follower Of Fashion or She Bought A Hat Like Princess Marina – maybe Well Respected Man, too, or even Celluloid Heroes.)

I CONFESS I DON'T KNOW MANY ROCK SONGWRITERS. I LIKED ELVIS COSTELLO BETTER WHEN HE WAS DECLAN MCMANUS, FOLK SINGER. BUT HE STILL WRITES SOME VERY GOOD SONGS. OF THE CURRENT CROP, I LIKE RUFUS WAINRIGHT, ALTHOUGH HE'S NOT HALF THE SONGWRITER HIS FATHER IS.

--

8. Over here, The Pogues have been pretty huge, and many people have probably heard their version of And The Band Played Waltzing Matilda – the first time I ever heard your songwriting, it was an old friend of mine who played me that record, and he absolutely loved that song, but probably had no idea who you were.

But I’ve understood you didn’t really like that album too much, yourself? Did you see The Pogues as too much of a drunken novelty act, or as being disrespectful of the folk tradition, or so?

I REALLY LIKE THE WAY MCGOWAN SINGS "MATILDA", HE STRIKES THE RIGHT NOTE BETWEEN ANGER AND MELANCHOLY. DIDN'T CARE MUCH FOR THE REST OF THE LP.

I THOUGHT THE POGUES GENERALLY WERE A BUNCH OF IRISH PUB MUSICIANS WHO GOT LUCKY, BUT I DON'T BEGRUDGE THEM THAT. AS TO DISRESPECT, NO, I DON'T THINK THEY DISRESPECTED THE FOLK TRADITION, WHATEVER THAT IS, JUST INTERPRETED IT THEIR WAY, WHICH A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKED AND A LOT OF PEOPLE DIDN'T. I LIKED THEM LIVE, LOTS OF ENERGY AND EXCITEMENT. LISTENING TO A CD OF THEIRS HOWEVER WAS A DIFFERENT KETTLE OF FISH. QUITE BORING REALLY. GENERALLY THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE STANDARD OF MUSICIANSHIP THAT COULD HOLD YOUR ATTENTION FOR TOO LONG WITHOUT THE MANIC VISUALS OF THEIR LIVE ACT.

--

13. You’ve tackled the problems of the Australian Aborigines in songs like Poor Bugger Charlie and Something Of Value – how have these songs been received in Australia?

WELL ENOUGH. I THINK OLD AUSTRALIAN ATTITUDES TOWARDS ABORIGINES ARE CHANGING FAST. THERE'S STILL RACISM OF COURSE, WHAT COUNTRY DOESN'T HAVE RACISM? BUT IT'S NOT SYSTEMATIC OR INSTITUTIONALISED LIKE IT USED TO BE, JUST A LINGERING ECHO OF PAST PREJUDICES.

--

15. I’ve sometimes kind of been bunching you together with other more or less folk related songwriters like Richard Thompson, Loudon Wainwright III and T-Bone Burnett. Are you familiar with their work, and if so, do you feel any kind of kinship, or so?

I KNOW WAINRIGHT AND THOMPSON'S MUSIC PRETTY WELL, BURNETT'S LESS SO. I DON'T MIND BEING PUT IN THE SAME SENTENCE AS THOSE SONGWRITERS, A PRETTY FAIR BUNCH OF WRITERS. AS FELLOW SONGWRITERS YES, I FEEL A SENSE OF KINSHIP WITH THEM. AND SYMPATHY.

--

22. I’ve understood that And The Band Played Waltzing Matilda originally had many more verses, but that it was drastically shortened down. Have you ever thought of recording the longer, original version, now later on, when you’ve had more of an audience? Or at least publishing the lyrics?

And how long was the longest version of it? And what did you leave out?

THE ORIGINAL VERSION HAD 8 VERSES AND LASTED ABOUT 14 MINUTES. AS I WROTE IT BACK IN 1971, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE ORIGINAL LYRICS AT ALL, SO I COULDN'T RECORD OR PUBLISH THEM EVEN IF I WANTED TO, WHICH I DON'T. THE PAST IS ANOTHER COUNTRY ETC.

--

27. If I’d ask you for 10 steps for saving the world, what might they be?

ONLY ONE. BANISH RACISM, EVERYTHING ELSE WILL FOLLOW.

--
  • Quote goodbar

Post by goodbar Sun Feb 12, 2006 7:46 pm

i love a lot of bogle's stuff but i really don't like the rest.
i love a lot of bogle's stuff but i really don't like the rest.
  • Quote TheDanielOfBrisbane

Post by TheDanielOfBrisbane Sun Feb 12, 2006 12:08 pm

just a wally wrote:Cool article, thanks for posting.

Didn't know much about the original 'Waltzing Matilda' before reading this. Always thought it was much, much older...


BTW - Waltzing Matilda is a COMPLETELY different song to "and the band played Waltzing Matilda." WM is like the unofficial Aussie anthem if you know what I mean.
[quote="just a wally"]Cool article, thanks for posting.

Didn't know much about the original 'Waltzing Matilda' before reading this. Always thought it was much, much older...[/quote]

BTW - Waltzing Matilda is a COMPLETELY different song to "and the band played Waltzing Matilda." WM is like the unofficial Aussie anthem if you know what I mean.
  • Quote Zuzana

Post by Zuzana Mon Nov 07, 2005 9:04 am

Nice article! :)
By the way, The Band Played Waltzing Matilda and No Man's Land performed by Eric Bogle can be found here.
Nice article! :)
By the way, [i]The Band Played Waltzing Matilda [/i]and [i]No Man's Land [/i]performed by Eric Bogle can be found [url=http://www.hotkey.net.au/~marshalle/sounds/sounds.htm]here.[/url]
  • Quote just a wally

Post by just a wally Mon Nov 07, 2005 8:40 am

Cool article, thanks for posting.

Didn't know much about the original 'Waltzing Matilda' before reading this. Always thought it was much, much older...
Cool article, thanks for posting.

Didn't know much about the original 'Waltzing Matilda' before reading this. Always thought it was much, much older...
  • Quote MacRua

An Article on Eric Bogle

Post by MacRua Mon Nov 07, 2005 8:07 am

After 34 Years, His Antiwar Song Is Still Not Out of Style
By ANDREW C. REVKIN
Published: November 5, 2005


Full URL

<blockquote>In 1969, Eric Bogle, a high school dropout, sometime accountant and former singer in a Beatles-style band, emigrated from Scotland to Australia in search of money and adventure.

Before the move, he had started writing songs somewhat like the ones his grandfather, a noted Scottish balladeer, used to sing. But nothing amounted to much.

Then in 1971, with Australia embroiled in Vietnam alongside the United States, Mr. Bogle sat down to write what would become one of the most admired songs about war: "And the Band Played Waltzing Matilda."

"I wanted to write an antiwar song but didn't want to denigrate the courage of the soldier," Mr. Bogle recalled in an interview on Wednesday before a show at the Manhattan nightclub Satalla. "There was too much of that 'baby killer' stuff going on."

Now 61, he is the archetypal touring folk singer, burly and balding and bearded, with a remarkably similar-looking sideman, John Munro, and a repertory ranging from wrenching to raunchy. (One song tells the tragic tale of Gomez, an amorous Chihuahua who meets an untimely end when he tries to mate with a Saint Bernard.)

But at every stop, the audiences, many having grown gray along with Mr. Bogle, await the tune he wrote 34 years ago.

On Wednesday night, he told the roughly 100 listeners how sometimes "a song acts as a key that opens a lot of doors," adding, "This was my key."

In it, he chose to tackle current events by exploring historical ones - a habit he has had ever since - and jumping back to Australia's first real battlefield test: in Gallipoli, Turkey, in 1915, just 14 years after the Commonwealth of Australia was born.

The song is in the voice of an innocent rural lad who joined the Australian and New Zealand Army Corps, or Anzac, in 1915, was handed a tin hat and a gun and was shipped with 17,000 others to the killing shores of Suvla Bay, where they were "butchered like lambs at the slaughter."

The refrain recounts how at every turn - when troops were dispatched, when the maimed came home, when the dead were buried, when the dying veterans marched - some martial band played "Waltzing Matilda," the unofficial Australian anthem.

The song, almost independent of Mr. Bogle's career as a folk performer, took on its own life as an antiwar standard.

In a telephone interview from his home in Beacon, N.Y., Pete Seeger called it "one of the world's greatest songs."

"In a few lines of poetry he captured one of the great contradictions of the world: the heroism of people doing something, even knowing it was a crazy something," Mr. Seeger said. "And he showed how the establishment has used music for thousands of years to support its way of thinking."

When it was recorded in Ireland by Liam Clancy and Tommy Makem in 1976, the song became the first of three chart-topping hits for Mr. Bogle there. It was later recorded by the Irish punk-folk band the Pogues.

Why such resonance with Ireland? "The Celtic people are a highly emotional bunch, as we all know, God bless them," Mr. Bogle said. "And my songs are based on pure emotion, most of them."

His last American visit was in 2002, and he is wrapping up a two-month tour in the next three weeks, including a performance tonight at the Central Unitarian Church in Paramus, N.J., and on Nov. 13 at the Towne Crier Cafe in Pawling, N.Y.

His songbook is as variegated as folk music itself (details are at ericbogle.net). Songs range from a searing account of an apartheid prison hanging to a satirical romp on the nasal style of Bob Dylan and audiences' persistent habit of asking Mr. Bogle to play a Dylan song. (He doesn't play any.)

There is a relentless juxtaposition of humor and horror. He began the Manhattan show with a vaudevillian introductory song alluding to his age: "We're on the road, so lock up your grannies." But he returned inexorably to war, as he painted wrenching word pictures of children blasted by bombers in Baghdad and, in another song that became an Irish hit, explored the sacrifice of Pvt. Willie McBride, one of 310 men buried in a 1916 battalion cemetery Mr. Bogle visited in northern France in 1975.

In that song, written as "No Man's Land" and also known as "Green Fields of France," Mr. Bogle dwells again on how music is used to salve the wounds of war:

"Did they beat the drum slowly, did they play the pipes lowly?/ Did the rifles fire o'er you as they lowered you down?"

Mr. Bogle ended, as always, with his take on "Waltzing Matilda," which he still sees not as a protest song but as a statement of facts and the feelings they engender.

When called back for an encore, he sang "Hallowed Ground," which he wrote this year after revisiting the graves on the French battlefield.

Addressing the fallen soldiers and the cyclical nature of conflict, he concluded by singing:

Oh, boys, how I'd like to tell you everything has changed

But that would be a lie

All in all, this world is much the same

Old men still talk and argue while young men still fight and die

And I still don't know why.</blockquote>

-----------------------------------
(c) NY Times, 2005
[size=150]After 34 Years, His Antiwar Song Is Still Not Out of Style [/size]
[i]By ANDREW C. REVKIN
Published: November 5, 2005[/i]

[url=http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/05/arts/music/05folk.html]Full URL[/url]

<blockquote>In 1969, Eric Bogle, a high school dropout, sometime accountant and former singer in a Beatles-style band, emigrated from Scotland to Australia in search of money and adventure.

Before the move, he had started writing songs somewhat like the ones his grandfather, a noted Scottish balladeer, used to sing. But nothing amounted to much.

Then in 1971, with Australia embroiled in Vietnam alongside the United States, Mr. Bogle sat down to write what would become one of the most admired songs about war: "And the Band Played Waltzing Matilda."

"I wanted to write an antiwar song but didn't want to denigrate the courage of the soldier," Mr. Bogle recalled in an interview on Wednesday before a show at the Manhattan nightclub Satalla. "There was too much of that 'baby killer' stuff going on."

Now 61, he is the archetypal touring folk singer, burly and balding and bearded, with a remarkably similar-looking sideman, John Munro, and a repertory ranging from wrenching to raunchy. (One song tells the tragic tale of Gomez, an amorous Chihuahua who meets an untimely end when he tries to mate with a Saint Bernard.)

But at every stop, the audiences, many having grown gray along with Mr. Bogle, await the tune he wrote 34 years ago.

On Wednesday night, he told the roughly 100 listeners how sometimes "a song acts as a key that opens a lot of doors," adding, "This was my key."

In it, he chose to tackle current events by exploring historical ones - a habit he has had ever since - and jumping back to Australia's first real battlefield test: in Gallipoli, Turkey, in 1915, just 14 years after the Commonwealth of Australia was born.

The song is in the voice of an innocent rural lad who joined the Australian and New Zealand Army Corps, or Anzac, in 1915, was handed a tin hat and a gun and was shipped with 17,000 others to the killing shores of Suvla Bay, where they were "butchered like lambs at the slaughter."

The refrain recounts how at every turn - when troops were dispatched, when the maimed came home, when the dead were buried, when the dying veterans marched - some martial band played "Waltzing Matilda," the unofficial Australian anthem.

The song, almost independent of Mr. Bogle's career as a folk performer, took on its own life as an antiwar standard.

In a telephone interview from his home in Beacon, N.Y., Pete Seeger called it "one of the world's greatest songs."

"In a few lines of poetry he captured one of the great contradictions of the world: the heroism of people doing something, even knowing it was a crazy something," Mr. Seeger said. "And he showed how the establishment has used music for thousands of years to support its way of thinking."

When it was recorded in Ireland by Liam Clancy and Tommy Makem in 1976, the song became the first of three chart-topping hits for Mr. Bogle there. It was later recorded by the Irish punk-folk band the Pogues.

Why such resonance with Ireland? "The Celtic people are a highly emotional bunch, as we all know, God bless them," Mr. Bogle said. "And my songs are based on pure emotion, most of them."

His last American visit was in 2002, and he is wrapping up a two-month tour in the next three weeks, including a performance tonight at the Central Unitarian Church in Paramus, N.J., and on Nov. 13 at the Towne Crier Cafe in Pawling, N.Y.

His songbook is as variegated as folk music itself (details are at ericbogle.net). Songs range from a searing account of an apartheid prison hanging to a satirical romp on the nasal style of Bob Dylan and audiences' persistent habit of asking Mr. Bogle to play a Dylan song. (He doesn't play any.)

There is a relentless juxtaposition of humor and horror. He began the Manhattan show with a vaudevillian introductory song alluding to his age: "We're on the road, so lock up your grannies." But he returned inexorably to war, as he painted wrenching word pictures of children blasted by bombers in Baghdad and, in another song that became an Irish hit, explored the sacrifice of Pvt. Willie McBride, one of 310 men buried in a 1916 battalion cemetery Mr. Bogle visited in northern France in 1975.

In that song, written as "No Man's Land" and also known as "Green Fields of France," Mr. Bogle dwells again on how music is used to salve the wounds of war:

"Did they beat the drum slowly, did they play the pipes lowly?/ Did the rifles fire o'er you as they lowered you down?"

Mr. Bogle ended, as always, with his take on "Waltzing Matilda," which he still sees not as a protest song but as a statement of facts and the feelings they engender.

When called back for an encore, he sang "Hallowed Ground," which he wrote this year after revisiting the graves on the French battlefield.

Addressing the fallen soldiers and the cyclical nature of conflict, he concluded by singing:

Oh, boys, how I'd like to tell you everything has changed

But that would be a lie

All in all, this world is much the same

Old men still talk and argue while young men still fight and die

And I still don't know why.</blockquote>

-----------------------------------
(c) NY Times, 2005

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