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Post by Zuzana Tue Jul 28, 2009 4:30 pm

Jeff Roesgen speaks about his book, Rum, Sodomy and the Lash and how it came into being:

A Historical Fantasy
Posted by Jeffrey T. Roesgen
July 24th, 2009
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E. L. Doctorow's Ragtime is one of my favorite books. Not only does it posses a lyric that's equally bounding and poignant, but its assimilation of disparate turn-of-the-century figures like Harry Houdini, Evelyn Nesbit, Booker T. Washington, Robert E. Peary, Henry Ford, J. P. Morgan (Freud, Jung, Zapata) into its narrative has always been fascinating to me. As these characters interact with a fictional, well-intentioned, dysfunctional family in New Rochelle, New York, a tale develops that, while fantastic, is as genuine a record of the American experience as there has ever been. That it succeeds so thoroughly in this is not a testament to any sort of accurate portrayal of history but rather to its infusion of fantasy with the historical. It superbly captures the innate human desire to converge, to compose, to form relationships between the disparate; to imagine.

In Rum, Sodomy, and the Lash, my contribution to Continuum's 33 1/3 book series, the fictional narrative that I use to celebrate the Pogues' 1985 album of the same name was the culmination of my many years spent imagining it. Truly, on bus rides to school with my walkman's volume dial budged full-tilt, I conjured images of a bleary-eyed, whiskey-stinking Cuchulainn in back alleys knocking out the teeth of anti-Semites, of the Pogues rollicking with their rowdy jigs aboard frigate ships of the damned, of a rendition of "And the Band Played Waltzing Matilda" setting calm to the violent masses as they drift lonesome out to sea. But when I finally embarked on writing my book in mid-2007, Ragtime was never far from my mind. It encouraged me to assemble fictional renditions of characters like Frank Ryan (the World War II-era Irish freedom fighter), Eric Bogle (the Scottish-born Australian folk singer), Jesse James (the post American Civil War bandit), Uncle Brian (Elvis Costello), as well as the Pogues themselves. My hope was to capture the spirit of the resounding, anthemic, seedy, absurd notions found in the songs, artwork, and title of the album without dissecting them into references and phrases (something which a different writer may have done to great effect). (This approach is not at all novel for the 33 1/3 series, as Kate Schatz's Rid of Me, John Niven's Music From Big Pink, John Darnielle's Master of Reality, Hayden Childs's Shoot Out the Lights, and David Smay's Swordfishtrombones volumes each incorporate varying degrees of fiction in the discussion of their subjects).

Leone and Morricone
Mid-way through writing my book, I revisited Sergio Leone's 1984 film Once Upon a Time in America, mainly for its noted importance to the Pogues as both a tour-van staple and whose overture (by Ennio Morricone) was an inspiration point for a then-fledgling tune that would become the equally cinematic "Fairytale of New York." What surprised me in the viewing, however, was the film's similarity to Rum, Sodomy, and the Lash. While the creative forces that produced both works happened in most cases concurrently, and one without knowledge of the other, the two share a common sense of solemn, violent, raunchy, poetic beauty so revealed in the telling that deconstructing them into plots, subplots, motives, and themes, to me, seemed a disservice to both. Through my research, conversations, and correspondence with the band, there came a resounding insistence that there were no prevailing themes or erudition that governed the creation of the album. Rather it was, as Shane MacGowan told Carol Clerk, author of the wonderfully comprehensive Pogue Mahone Kiss My Arse: the Story of the "Pogues", "just songs."

Also of interest to me was Once Upon a Time in America's revelation as intertwined, lucid dreamscapes that allow it to ford the disjointed episodes of its narrative with stroke-like ease (Morricone's score is paramount in enabling this). With that in mind, I developed my narrative as a murky, subconscious memoir of sorts, as if the narrator, in a haze of publicity and drink, had assimilated the music, imagery, and words of Rum, Sodomy, and the Lash. My aim was to capture the same absurd, tragic states that affect us when we dream. Therefore, aside from a few short, non-fiction entries which interrupt my book's main narrative, I decided to allow the album to remain an intact creature — both in its mystical and familiar beauty.

Rum and Whiskey
I supplemented my Pogues listening with the Mekons' Fear and Whiskey quite a bit as I wrote. Also released in 1985 (and certainly worthy of a 33 1/3 volume — how about it, Continuum?), it was a glimmer of light in a music scene consumed in fashion and hijinx. Though to my knowledge there was very little, if any, interaction between the two bands in the mid-1980s the voices of each album bore great resemblance. It was that of the common person, the striking miner, the pub-dweller, the struggling immigrant — speaking, shrieking, resounding — both lyrically and musically with great ode to the past. Though more explicitly political than the Pogues, the Mekons also used folk music as a vehicle to connect the ages, and mated it with a punk abandon that ignited and united contemporary listeners.

Sinatra at the Sands, Martin at the Tropicana, The Pogues at the Palms
On November 1, 2007, I travelled alone to see the Pogues play at the Palms Ballroom in Las Vegas. I'd wanted to catch them a week earlier for their show at San Francisco's legendary Fillmore Auditorium, but timing and a next-to-nothing gambler's rate airfare dictated that if I wanted to see the Pogues, it had to be in Vegas. As my plane circled the spiraling spotlights and overwrought glitz of the strip, I asked myself what I was doing there. I'd completed my manuscript two weeks earlier, my interviews were concluded, my books returned to the library, my mind resolved to regard the Pogues as they were in 1985. So what was I hoping to gain by travelling across America to see this band that I'd spent the prior eight months (and 20 years to some extent) regarding as soul bards, the "Boys from the County Hell," the trodden voices of the commoner, the anti-Vegas? Looking southward down the strip on the day of the show, I shrugged my shoulders, not entirely convinced that the Pogues were really going to show in such a place (wax renditions of the Pogues perhaps, a sequin-suited Shane MacGowan impersonator, more likely). Then, from my hotel, I walked through the backstreets to the Palms and there I found the songs of Rum, Sodomy, and the Lash still in motion — panhandling teenagers, beaten-down strip clubs surviving in spite of themselves, wounded veterans coasting about in wheel chairs, poverty, brutality, the "Old Main Drag" as vital as ever, droning its sad, beautiful melody. A few hours later, when the Pogues took the stage (unfortunately without guitarist Philip Chevron), it became clear why I'd come. The songs, particularly the ones from Rum, Sodomy, and the Lash, were alive and thriving, re-contextualizing themselves 22 years later — "The Sickbed of Cuchulainn," "The Old Main Drag," "A Pair of Brown Eyes," "Sally MacLennane," "Dirty Old Town" — delivered by this band, 22 years older, with the same passion, reverence, and vitriol as ever. The audience that night, as with most Pogues gigs, became a community, unified in experience, booze, and song. It was, as ever, and as tin-whistle player Spider Stacy described to me months earlier, a combination between a punk gig and a football match. And in times like that the only thing left to do is raise a glass and sing along, "and we sang a song of times long gone, but we knew that we'd be seeing him again..."

÷ ÷ ÷

Jeffrey T. Roesgen writes about music for http://www.tinymixtapes.com. He also writes fiction and is currently writing a collection of short stories about Hong Kong. He lives in Cincinnati, Ohio, with his wife and two daughters.


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Jeff Roesgen speaks about his book, [i]Rum, Sodomy and the Lash[/i] and how it came into being:

[size=150][b]A Historical Fantasy[/b][/size]
[i]Posted by Jeffrey T. Roesgen
July 24th, 2009
PowellsBooks.Blog[/i]

[url=http://www.powells.com/blog/?p=7424]Full URL[/url]

E. L. Doctorow's Ragtime is one of my favorite books. Not only does it posses a lyric that's equally bounding and poignant, but its assimilation of disparate turn-of-the-century figures like Harry Houdini, Evelyn Nesbit, Booker T. Washington, Robert E. Peary, Henry Ford, J. P. Morgan (Freud, Jung, Zapata) into its narrative has always been fascinating to me. As these characters interact with a fictional, well-intentioned, dysfunctional family in New Rochelle, New York, a tale develops that, while fantastic, is as genuine a record of the American experience as there has ever been. That it succeeds so thoroughly in this is not a testament to any sort of accurate portrayal of history but rather to its infusion of fantasy with the historical. It superbly captures the innate human desire to converge, to compose, to form relationships between the disparate; to imagine.

In Rum, Sodomy, and the Lash, my contribution to Continuum's 33 1/3 book series, the fictional narrative that I use to celebrate the Pogues' 1985 album of the same name was the culmination of my many years spent imagining it. Truly, on bus rides to school with my walkman's volume dial budged full-tilt, I conjured images of a bleary-eyed, whiskey-stinking Cuchulainn in back alleys knocking out the teeth of anti-Semites, of the Pogues rollicking with their rowdy jigs aboard frigate ships of the damned, of a rendition of "And the Band Played Waltzing Matilda" setting calm to the violent masses as they drift lonesome out to sea. But when I finally embarked on writing my book in mid-2007, Ragtime was never far from my mind. It encouraged me to assemble fictional renditions of characters like Frank Ryan (the World War II-era Irish freedom fighter), Eric Bogle (the Scottish-born Australian folk singer), Jesse James (the post American Civil War bandit), Uncle Brian (Elvis Costello), as well as the Pogues themselves. My hope was to capture the spirit of the resounding, anthemic, seedy, absurd notions found in the songs, artwork, and title of the album without dissecting them into references and phrases (something which a different writer may have done to great effect). (This approach is not at all novel for the 33 1/3 series, as Kate Schatz's Rid of Me, John Niven's Music From Big Pink, John Darnielle's Master of Reality, Hayden Childs's Shoot Out the Lights, and David Smay's Swordfishtrombones volumes each incorporate varying degrees of fiction in the discussion of their subjects).

[b]Leone and Morricone[/b]
Mid-way through writing my book, I revisited Sergio Leone's 1984 film Once Upon a Time in America, mainly for its noted importance to the Pogues as both a tour-van staple and whose overture (by Ennio Morricone) was an inspiration point for a then-fledgling tune that would become the equally cinematic "Fairytale of New York." What surprised me in the viewing, however, was the film's similarity to Rum, Sodomy, and the Lash. While the creative forces that produced both works happened in most cases concurrently, and one without knowledge of the other, the two share a common sense of solemn, violent, raunchy, poetic beauty so revealed in the telling that deconstructing them into plots, subplots, motives, and themes, to me, seemed a disservice to both. Through my research, conversations, and correspondence with the band, there came a resounding insistence that there were no prevailing themes or erudition that governed the creation of the album. Rather it was, as Shane MacGowan told Carol Clerk, author of the wonderfully comprehensive Pogue Mahone Kiss My Arse: the Story of the "Pogues", "just songs."

Also of interest to me was Once Upon a Time in America's revelation as intertwined, lucid dreamscapes that allow it to ford the disjointed episodes of its narrative with stroke-like ease (Morricone's score is paramount in enabling this). With that in mind, I developed my narrative as a murky, subconscious memoir of sorts, as if the narrator, in a haze of publicity and drink, had assimilated the music, imagery, and words of Rum, Sodomy, and the Lash. My aim was to capture the same absurd, tragic states that affect us when we dream. Therefore, aside from a few short, non-fiction entries which interrupt my book's main narrative, I decided to allow the album to remain an intact creature — both in its mystical and familiar beauty.

[b]Rum and Whiskey[/b]
I supplemented my Pogues listening with the Mekons' Fear and Whiskey quite a bit as I wrote. Also released in 1985 (and certainly worthy of a 33 1/3 volume — how about it, Continuum?), it was a glimmer of light in a music scene consumed in fashion and hijinx. Though to my knowledge there was very little, if any, interaction between the two bands in the mid-1980s the voices of each album bore great resemblance. It was that of the common person, the striking miner, the pub-dweller, the struggling immigrant — speaking, shrieking, resounding — both lyrically and musically with great ode to the past. Though more explicitly political than the Pogues, the Mekons also used folk music as a vehicle to connect the ages, and mated it with a punk abandon that ignited and united contemporary listeners.

[b]Sinatra at the Sands, Martin at the Tropicana, The Pogues at the Palms[/b]
On November 1, 2007, I travelled alone to see the Pogues play at the Palms Ballroom in Las Vegas. I'd wanted to catch them a week earlier for their show at San Francisco's legendary Fillmore Auditorium, but timing and a next-to-nothing gambler's rate airfare dictated that if I wanted to see the Pogues, it had to be in Vegas. As my plane circled the spiraling spotlights and overwrought glitz of the strip, I asked myself what I was doing there. I'd completed my manuscript two weeks earlier, my interviews were concluded, my books returned to the library, my mind resolved to regard the Pogues as they were in 1985. So what was I hoping to gain by travelling across America to see this band that I'd spent the prior eight months (and 20 years to some extent) regarding as soul bards, the "Boys from the County Hell," the trodden voices of the commoner, the anti-Vegas? Looking southward down the strip on the day of the show, I shrugged my shoulders, not entirely convinced that the Pogues were really going to show in such a place (wax renditions of the Pogues perhaps, a sequin-suited Shane MacGowan impersonator, more likely). Then, from my hotel, I walked through the backstreets to the Palms and there I found the songs of Rum, Sodomy, and the Lash still in motion — panhandling teenagers, beaten-down strip clubs surviving in spite of themselves, wounded veterans coasting about in wheel chairs, poverty, brutality, the "Old Main Drag" as vital as ever, droning its sad, beautiful melody. A few hours later, when the Pogues took the stage (unfortunately without guitarist Philip Chevron), it became clear why I'd come. The songs, particularly the ones from Rum, Sodomy, and the Lash, were alive and thriving, re-contextualizing themselves 22 years later — "The Sickbed of Cuchulainn," "The Old Main Drag," "A Pair of Brown Eyes," "Sally MacLennane," "Dirty Old Town" — delivered by this band, 22 years older, with the same passion, reverence, and vitriol as ever. The audience that night, as with most Pogues gigs, became a community, unified in experience, booze, and song. It was, as ever, and as tin-whistle player Spider Stacy described to me months earlier, a combination between a punk gig and a football match. And in times like that the only thing left to do is raise a glass and sing along, "and we sang a song of times long gone, but we knew that we'd be seeing him again..."

÷ ÷ ÷

Jeffrey T. Roesgen writes about music for http://www.tinymixtapes.com. He also writes fiction and is currently writing a collection of short stories about Hong Kong. He lives in Cincinnati, Ohio, with his wife and two daughters.


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  • Quote John Powers

Re: "Rum, Sodomy & the Lash" book

Post by John Powers Mon Apr 27, 2009 6:54 am

I know I shouldn´t judge yet because I have only read about half of the book, but so far it seems that the non-fiction parts are OK and somewhat interesting read but the fiction parts are aimed for kids and retards. Well, maybe it´s just not for me.
I know I shouldn´t judge yet because I have only read about half of the book, but so far it seems that the non-fiction parts are OK and somewhat interesting read but the fiction parts are aimed for kids and retards. Well, maybe it´s just not for me.
  • Quote Zuzana

Post by Zuzana Sat Jan 17, 2009 8:38 pm

Blurt magazine review:

Jeffrey T. Roesgen
Rum, Sodomy & The Lash

(Continuum/33 1/3)

rated with 8 stars
Full URL

When the music of the Pogues first made its way across the waters from England in the mid-80s, the sound was a revelation to American ears bombarded by synth-driven "new wave" and homegrown nerf metal (thanks, Chuck!). Here was a band that combined the reckless energy and attitude of punk rock with the timeless, organic roots of traditional Celtic folk music, including reels and jigs and waltzes. It was unlike anything we'd ever heard before (or since)....

Rum, Sodomy & The Lash was the Pogues' second album, produced by none other than Mr. Elvis Costello, and originally released on the other side of the pond in 1985. Whether due to the Costello connection, or perhaps just the raucous nature of the music that refused to be confined to just one continent, both of the Pogues' first two albums found their way into American music stores at the time as imports, where they were welcomed with open arms by adventurous stateside rock music fans.

Today the Pogues are a fondly-remembered entry in rock's big book of history, breaking up in 1996 after a run of fourteen years, and leaving behind an impressive catalog of seven classic albums that are highlighted by Rum, Sodomy & The Lash and 1988's If I Should Fall From Grace With God. Writer Jeffrey T. Roesgen takes another look at the Pogues' sophomore album as part of Continuum's acclaimed 33 1/3 series.

Roesgen takes a unique tact in approaching Rum, Sodomy & The Lash, revisiting the album with a perspective that is part critical, part fanciful. In between offering the band's memories on making the album, broken up pretty much song-by-song, Roesgen weaves a fictional narrative that places the band members on a voyage across the ocean, the tale set over 100 years previous to the album's reality.

If such a manner of discussing a classic album sounds a bit...ah, shall we say...dicey, just fergitaboutit! Roesgen is a talented scribe that has created a book that works on two completely distinctive levels. First is the straight journalistic approach, with various band members talking about the album's songs, the recording studio, producer Costello, even London in the mid-‘80s. It's interesting stuff, and informative, but it tells only part of the story.

The other half of Roesgen's Rum, Sodomy & The Lash is the fictional story, with Shane MacGowan, Spider Stacy, Cait O'Riordan and the rest of the gang riding onboard the Medusa, entertaining the ship's crew on their ill-fated trip to Africa. Roesgen's flight of fancy is based on the true story of the Medusa, which was abandoned by its Captain and crew after being grounded. The writer's re-working of the tale is inspired in turn by the album's nautical themes and imagery (the cover itself a reproduction of a famous painting about the real-life shipwreck).

Roesgen's work casts the album's individual songs in a different light, fleshing them out with his imaginative prose, prompting the reader to look at the life behind the words and music and interpret each song through their own prism. It's an approach that wouldn't have worked on most of the albums covered by the 33 1/3 series, but it works like a charm for Rum, Sodomy & The Lash. By the end of the book, you find yourself caring about the characters brought to life by Roesgen and wondering what will happen next. Kind of like a Pogues album.... REV. KEITH A. GORDON
[size=150][b]Blurt magazine review:[/b][/size]

[b]Jeffrey T. Roesgen
Rum, Sodomy & The Lash[/b]
(Continuum/33 1/3)

[i]rated with 8 stars[/i]
[url=http://www.blurt-online.com/book_reviews/view/39]Full URL[/url]

When the music of the Pogues first made its way across the waters from England in the mid-80s, the sound was a revelation to American ears bombarded by synth-driven "new wave" and homegrown nerf metal (thanks, Chuck!). Here was a band that combined the reckless energy and attitude of punk rock with the timeless, organic roots of traditional Celtic folk music, including reels and jigs and waltzes. It was unlike anything we'd ever heard before (or since)....

Rum, Sodomy & The Lash was the Pogues' second album, produced by none other than Mr. Elvis Costello, and originally released on the other side of the pond in 1985. Whether due to the Costello connection, or perhaps just the raucous nature of the music that refused to be confined to just one continent, both of the Pogues' first two albums found their way into American music stores at the time as imports, where they were welcomed with open arms by adventurous stateside rock music fans.

Today the Pogues are a fondly-remembered entry in rock's big book of history, breaking up in 1996 after a run of fourteen years, and leaving behind an impressive catalog of seven classic albums that are highlighted by Rum, Sodomy & The Lash and 1988's If I Should Fall From Grace With God. Writer Jeffrey T. Roesgen takes another look at the Pogues' sophomore album as part of Continuum's acclaimed 33 1/3 series.

Roesgen takes a unique tact in approaching Rum, Sodomy & The Lash, revisiting the album with a perspective that is part critical, part fanciful. In between offering the band's memories on making the album, broken up pretty much song-by-song, Roesgen weaves a fictional narrative that places the band members on a voyage across the ocean, the tale set over 100 years previous to the album's reality.

If such a manner of discussing a classic album sounds a bit...ah, shall we say...dicey, just fergitaboutit! Roesgen is a talented scribe that has created a book that works on two completely distinctive levels. First is the straight journalistic approach, with various band members talking about the album's songs, the recording studio, producer Costello, even London in the mid-‘80s. It's interesting stuff, and informative, but it tells only part of the story.

The other half of Roesgen's Rum, Sodomy & The Lash is the fictional story, with Shane MacGowan, Spider Stacy, Cait O'Riordan and the rest of the gang riding onboard the Medusa, entertaining the ship's crew on their ill-fated trip to Africa. Roesgen's flight of fancy is based on the true story of the Medusa, which was abandoned by its Captain and crew after being grounded. The writer's re-working of the tale is inspired in turn by the album's nautical themes and imagery (the cover itself a reproduction of a famous painting about the real-life shipwreck).

Roesgen's work casts the album's individual songs in a different light, fleshing them out with his imaginative prose, prompting the reader to look at the life behind the words and music and interpret each song through their own prism. It's an approach that wouldn't have worked on most of the albums covered by the 33 1/3 series, but it works like a charm for Rum, Sodomy & The Lash. By the end of the book, you find yourself caring about the characters brought to life by Roesgen and wondering what will happen next. Kind of like a Pogues album.... REV. KEITH A. GORDON
  • Quote MacRua

Re: "Rum, Sodomy & the Lash" book

Post by MacRua Wed Jan 07, 2009 3:41 pm

Rum, Sodomy & The Lash
by Jeffrey T. Roesgen, Continuum, September 2008, 117 pages, $10.95

by Ian Mathers
Pop Matters


Full URL

As Jeffrey T. Roesgen’s book on the Pogues’ second album is two-thirds fictional narrative and one-third nonfiction analysis, I decided not to listen to Rum, Sodomy & the Lash prior to digging into the slim volume. I’m familiar with at least some of the songs (and surely everyone knows their version of “Dirty Old Town” at least), but one of my few general problems with the varied and often excellent 33 1/3 series is that many of the books are kind of closed, directed more at obsessive fans than the casual or even interested audience.

Roesgen’s tack—retelling the tale of the raft of the Medusa (depicted in the famous painting by Géricault that the Pogues took and altered for their album art) as if the Pogues themselves were itinerant musicians who wander aboard and almost die from the experience—seemed more outsider friendly than most. Given the likely paying audience for these books, and the kind of fan you tend to have to be to write one, I can understand why most of them are angled toward an insular view, but it’s to Roesgen’s credit that I enjoyed his book thoroughly without being intimately familiar with Rum, Sodomy & the Lash, and even more so that upon my subsequent listening to the album (because Roesgen certainly makes you curious) I was a little bit disappointed. The Pogues are great, to be certain, but they don’t sound quite as wild and significant as Roesgen manages to make them sound on the page.

Certainly Rum, Sodomy & the Lash (the book, this time) rewards fans—I am fairly certain there were references that went over my head, and even the ones that are eventually revealed and explained to the non-fan seem like they’d be more fun to catch right away. Roesgen strands the band on board a ship with an incompetent captain and a domineering French Governor of the Sudan (both historically accurate) but then surrounds them with the figures and songwriters they employed on the album, leaving them mingling, drinking and fighting with Jesse James, Jock Stewart, Eric Bogle and “Uncle Brian”, among others.

Short chapters in the narrative are occasionally interrupted by even shorter passages addressing each song (at the point in the narrative where the songs come up, which is a seemingly random order). Roesgen’s overall thesis about the band in the non-fictional parts—that the Pogues were concerned here mostly with showing how the struggles and pains and joys of the downtrodden life are universal, not constrained by time or culture or language—is a convincing one, and he writes well on the sodden joie de vivre Shane McGowan and company bring to these songs. He also does well to avoid mythologizing McGowan and his excesses --there are vivid scenes with each of the band’s members, and McGowan is a cheery cipher more than anything.

It would have been nice to have a bit more hard information for reference—the actual tracklisting of the album, the names and roles of the band members all in one place, recording details—but you can look those up elsewhere, and it’s only after the story ended that I wanted to find out more (and again, much of the target audience probably doesn’t need that information). The only other real complaint I have is that it sometimes feels like there’s not quite enough stuff here—Roesgen’s fiction is compelling enough that a more fully fleshed out novel along these lines is kind of appealing (although with the Pogues such an integral part of the appeal, maybe not practical) and similarly after almost every song I found myself wishing he’d given himself a few more pages to talk to band members, draw together the books that have already been written about the band, and give his own analysis.

But that’s both the appeal and occasionally the frustration of the 33 1/3 series, the volumes of which are slim enough to be polished off in one sitting. Roesgen leaves you wanting more, and convinced both of the greatness of his chosen album and of the beating, vital heart of the band that made it.
[size=150]Rum, Sodomy & The Lash[/size]
by Jeffrey T. Roesgen, Continuum, September 2008, 117 pages, $10.95

[i]by Ian Mathers
Pop Matters[/i]

[url=http://www.popmatters.com/pm/review/67107-rum-sodomy-the-lash-by-jeffrey-t-roesgen/]Full URL[/url]

[indent]As Jeffrey T. Roesgen’s book on the Pogues’ second album is two-thirds fictional narrative and one-third nonfiction analysis, I decided not to listen to Rum, Sodomy & the Lash prior to digging into the slim volume. I’m familiar with at least some of the songs (and surely everyone knows their version of “Dirty Old Town” at least), but one of my few general problems with the varied and often excellent 33 1/3 series is that many of the books are kind of closed, directed more at obsessive fans than the casual or even interested audience.

Roesgen’s tack—retelling the tale of the raft of the Medusa (depicted in the famous painting by Géricault that the Pogues took and altered for their album art) as if the Pogues themselves were itinerant musicians who wander aboard and almost die from the experience—seemed more outsider friendly than most. Given the likely paying audience for these books, and the kind of fan you tend to have to be to write one, I can understand why most of them are angled toward an insular view, but it’s to Roesgen’s credit that I enjoyed his book thoroughly without being intimately familiar with Rum, Sodomy & the Lash, and even more so that upon my subsequent listening to the album (because Roesgen certainly makes you curious) I was a little bit disappointed. The Pogues are great, to be certain, but they don’t sound quite as wild and significant as Roesgen manages to make them sound on the page.

Certainly Rum, Sodomy & the Lash (the book, this time) rewards fans—I am fairly certain there were references that went over my head, and even the ones that are eventually revealed and explained to the non-fan seem like they’d be more fun to catch right away. Roesgen strands the band on board a ship with an incompetent captain and a domineering French Governor of the Sudan (both historically accurate) but then surrounds them with the figures and songwriters they employed on the album, leaving them mingling, drinking and fighting with Jesse James, Jock Stewart, Eric Bogle and “Uncle Brian”, among others.

Short chapters in the narrative are occasionally interrupted by even shorter passages addressing each song (at the point in the narrative where the songs come up, which is a seemingly random order). Roesgen’s overall thesis about the band in the non-fictional parts—that the Pogues were concerned here mostly with showing how the struggles and pains and joys of the downtrodden life are universal, not constrained by time or culture or language—is a convincing one, and he writes well on the sodden joie de vivre Shane McGowan and company bring to these songs. He also does well to avoid mythologizing McGowan and his excesses --there are vivid scenes with each of the band’s members, and McGowan is a cheery cipher more than anything.

It would have been nice to have a bit more hard information for reference—the actual tracklisting of the album, the names and roles of the band members all in one place, recording details—but you can look those up elsewhere, and it’s only after the story ended that I wanted to find out more (and again, much of the target audience probably doesn’t need that information). The only other real complaint I have is that it sometimes feels like there’s not quite enough stuff here—Roesgen’s fiction is compelling enough that a more fully fleshed out novel along these lines is kind of appealing (although with the Pogues such an integral part of the appeal, maybe not practical) and similarly after almost every song I found myself wishing he’d given himself a few more pages to talk to band members, draw together the books that have already been written about the band, and give his own analysis.

But that’s both the appeal and occasionally the frustration of the 33 1/3 series, the volumes of which are slim enough to be polished off in one sitting. Roesgen leaves you wanting more, and convinced both of the greatness of his chosen album and of the beating, vital heart of the band that made it.[/indent]
  • Quote Adam

Re: "Rum, Sodomy & the Lash" book

Post by Adam Sun Nov 30, 2008 8:02 pm

I picked up a copy off a rack of 33 1/3 volumes at Family Books ion Fairfax Avenue in Los Angeles just the other day. I'm part way through it.
Thus far I think it is all well written, even teh fiction sections, but the fiction sections dominate the book. Each track gets discussed for a page or three between long sections of fiction. I'm more of a non-fiction person, and wish there were more on the actual album. I'm get impatient with the fiction, although it is growing on me, and as I said, I do find it reasonably well-written.

I believe the author's approach with teh fiction was to use this novel approach to incorporate 1) the back story of the Wreck of the Medusa (and naval life of that time); 2) his view of the personalities of that itinerant collection of bards known as the Pogues; 3) a parallel structure for explaining the back story of some of the characters involved in individual songs (some of which he also explains in the non-fiction parts). I'm not sure if it will work for me overall, but I also might warming to it slowly due to my preference for non-fiction.
I picked up a copy off a rack of 33 1/3 volumes at Family Books ion Fairfax Avenue in Los Angeles just the other day. I'm part way through it.
Thus far I think it is all well written, even teh fiction sections, but the fiction sections dominate the book. Each track gets discussed for a page or three between long sections of fiction. I'm more of a non-fiction person, and wish there were more on the actual album. I'm get impatient with the fiction, although it is growing on me, and as I said, I do find it reasonably well-written.

I believe the author's approach with teh fiction was to use this novel approach to incorporate 1) the back story of the Wreck of the Medusa (and naval life of that time); 2) his view of the personalities of that itinerant collection of bards known as the Pogues; 3) a parallel structure for explaining the back story of some of the characters involved in individual songs (some of which he also explains in the non-fiction parts). I'm not sure if it will work for me overall, but I also might warming to it slowly due to my preference for non-fiction.
  • Quote nboldock

Re: "Rum, Sodomy & the Lash" book

Post by nboldock Sat Nov 22, 2008 2:19 am

Weirdly, I ordered my copy along with two CDs - The Stranglers "Rattus Norvegicus" and The Waterboys "Room To Roam" (both going cheap at the mo, by the way) and I took the free postage as I always do (and I'm a very regular Amazon buyer).

Normally they NEVER split the delivery when it's free, but yesterday I got both CDs but no book. Odd. They normally don't split deliveries unless yo upay for it, and in the past I have frequently waited weeks for delivery on the back of one CD being out of stock (I usually order two or three at a time as I have a regular Amazon voucher income).

So, still no book, but I'm sure it's worth the wait.
Weirdly, I ordered my copy along with two CDs - The Stranglers "Rattus Norvegicus" and The Waterboys "Room To Roam" (both going cheap at the mo, by the way) and I took the free postage as I always do (and I'm a very regular Amazon buyer).

Normally they NEVER split the delivery when it's free, but yesterday I got both CDs but no book. Odd. They normally don't split deliveries unless yo upay for it, and in the past I have frequently waited weeks for delivery on the back of one CD being out of stock (I usually order two or three at a time as I have a regular Amazon voucher income).

So, still no book, but I'm sure it's worth the wait.
  • Quote soulfinger

Re: "Rum, Sodomy & the Lash" book

Post by soulfinger Thu Nov 20, 2008 8:10 pm

Your order #202-6104372-9565119 (received October 29,2008)
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Amazon.co.uk items (Sold by Amazon EU S.a.r.L.):

1 The "Pogues'" "Rum, Sodomy... £4.89 1 £4.89

Shipped via Royal Mail

Hooray!
Your order #202-6104372-9565119 (received October 29,2008)
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Ordered Title Price Dispatched Subtotal
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Amazon.co.uk items (Sold by Amazon EU S.a.r.L.):

1 The "Pogues'" "Rum, Sodomy... £4.89 1 £4.89

Shipped via Royal Mail

Hooray!
  • Quote soulfinger

Re: "Rum, Sodomy & the Lash" book

Post by soulfinger Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:35 pm

philipchevron wrote:
soulfinger wrote:Bloody Amazon said:

We are sorry to report that the following items have been delayed:

Jeffrey T. Roesgen "The "Pogues'" "Rum, Sodomy and the Lash" (33
1/3)" [Paperback]
Estimated arrival date: 27/11/08 - 04/12/08

:evil:


Don't understand this. I have so far received three copies from Amazon (I like to test the marketplace from time to time), though I have noticed recently that Amazon have been making a bit too free with the "we ain't got it, we'll have it soon" emails. I've had a number of those recently the day before the item arrived.


Infamy, infamy...........they've all got it in for me.
[quote="philipchevron"][quote="soulfinger"]Bloody Amazon said:

We are sorry to report that the following items have been delayed:

Jeffrey T. Roesgen "The "Pogues'" "Rum, Sodomy and the Lash" (33
1/3)" [Paperback]
Estimated arrival date: 27/11/08 - 04/12/08

:evil:[/quote]

Don't understand this. I have so far received three copies from Amazon (I like to test the marketplace from time to time), though I have noticed recently that Amazon have been making a bit too free with the "we ain't got it, we'll have it soon" emails. I've had a number of those recently the day before the item arrived.[/quote]

Infamy, infamy...........they've all got it in for me.
  • Quote firehazard

Re: "Rum, Sodomy & the Lash" book

Post by firehazard Tue Nov 18, 2008 8:39 am

territa wrote:firehazard, you may need to get stronger readers for this one - I did.


If I take the glasses off, and hold the page close to my eyes, and squint a bit, that usually does the trick. Though it does make my head hurt after a short while.

Haven't ordered the book yet. Waiting to see others' views on it first. And Christmas is coming anyway...
[quote="territa"]firehazard, you may need to get stronger readers for this one - I did.[/quote]

If I take the glasses off, and hold the page close to my eyes, and squint a bit, that usually does the trick. Though it does make my head hurt after a short while.

Haven't ordered the book yet. Waiting to see others' views on it first. And Christmas is coming anyway...
  • Quote territa

Re: "Rum, Sodomy & the Lash" book

Post by territa Tue Nov 18, 2008 12:41 am

soulfinger wrote:Bloody Amazon said:

We are sorry to report that the following items have been delayed:

Jeffrey T. Roesgen "The "Pogues'" "Rum, Sodomy and the Lash" (33
1/3)" [Paperback]
Estimated arrival date: 27/11/08 - 04/12/08

:evil:

That's odd, I got mine last week!

firehazard, you may need to get stronger readers for this one - I did. Will start with facts tonight.
[quote="soulfinger"]Bloody Amazon said:

We are sorry to report that the following items have been delayed:

Jeffrey T. Roesgen "The "Pogues'" "Rum, Sodomy and the Lash" (33
1/3)" [Paperback]
Estimated arrival date: 27/11/08 - 04/12/08

:evil:[/quote]
That's odd, I got mine last week!

firehazard, you may need to get stronger readers for this one - I did. Will start with facts tonight.
  • Quote philipchevron

Re: "Rum, Sodomy & the Lash" book

Post by philipchevron Sun Nov 16, 2008 7:57 pm

soulfinger wrote:Bloody Amazon said:

We are sorry to report that the following items have been delayed:

Jeffrey T. Roesgen "The "Pogues'" "Rum, Sodomy and the Lash" (33
1/3)" [Paperback]
Estimated arrival date: 27/11/08 - 04/12/08

:evil:


Don't understand this. I have so far received three copies from Amazon (I like to test the marketplace from time to time), though I have noticed recently that Amazon have been making a bit too free with the "we ain't got it, we'll have it soon" emails. I've had a number of those recently the day before the item arrived.
[quote="soulfinger"]Bloody Amazon said:

We are sorry to report that the following items have been delayed:

Jeffrey T. Roesgen "The "Pogues'" "Rum, Sodomy and the Lash" (33
1/3)" [Paperback]
Estimated arrival date: 27/11/08 - 04/12/08

:evil:[/quote]

Don't understand this. I have so far received three copies from Amazon (I like to test the marketplace from time to time), though I have noticed recently that Amazon have been making a bit too free with the "we ain't got it, we'll have it soon" emails. I've had a number of those recently the day before the item arrived.
  • Quote soulfinger

Re: "Rum, Sodomy & the Lash" book

Post by soulfinger Sun Nov 16, 2008 7:45 pm

Bloody Amazon said:

We are sorry to report that the following items have been delayed:

Jeffrey T. Roesgen "The "Pogues'" "Rum, Sodomy and the Lash" (33
1/3)" [Paperback]
Estimated arrival date: 27/11/08 - 04/12/08

:evil:
Bloody Amazon said:

We are sorry to report that the following items have been delayed:

Jeffrey T. Roesgen "The "Pogues'" "Rum, Sodomy and the Lash" (33
1/3)" [Paperback]
Estimated arrival date: 27/11/08 - 04/12/08

:evil:
  • Quote Zuzana

Post by Zuzana Fri Nov 14, 2008 9:16 am

The talk about avid hunting for Pogues rarities has been split to personal stories: viewtopic.php?f=10&t=9180
The talk about avid hunting for Pogues rarities has been split to personal stories: http://www.pogues.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=9180
  • Quote nboldock

Re: "Rum, Sodomy & the Lash" book

Post by nboldock Thu Nov 13, 2008 8:40 pm

"Hello, and welcome to MASTERMIND. Contestant number one - your name?"

"Philip Chevron."

"And your specialist subject?"

"Very, very obscure facts about The Pogues."

It's a shame they wouldn't let you on (presumably), cos you'd piss it!

(Somehow I don't think "Very very obscure facts about the band I've been in for over 20 years, on and off" would get past the producers. Which is a shame.)
"Hello, and welcome to MASTERMIND. Contestant number one - your name?"

"Philip Chevron."

"And your specialist subject?"

"Very, very obscure facts about The Pogues."

It's a shame they wouldn't let you on (presumably), cos you'd piss it!

(Somehow I don't think "Very very obscure facts about the band I've been in for over 20 years, on and off" would get past the producers. Which is a shame.)
  • Quote philipchevron

Re: Re:

Post by philipchevron Thu Nov 13, 2008 11:50 am

anfield boy wrote:Yeah, it is what it is. And I agree with Philip how blending fiction and biography is difficult to digest as a reader. However, I've always been intrigued by this angle of writing. The taking of inspiration from one art form and slipping it into your own. It reminds me of that Sean Penn film called "The Indian Runner" which comes from the Bruce Springsteen song, "Highway Patrolman".



That's not quite what I said. I read the book in the manner I did because my first duty was to fact-check, I suppose, a test the book passes extremely well with just one minor error (The Pogues' first two albums were not, in fact, available only on import in the USA: delayed though the releases were, they did come out on Stiff/Enigma in the US (Red Roses) and MCA (Rum, Sodomy).
[quote="anfield boy"]
Yeah, it is what it is. And I agree with Philip how blending fiction and biography is difficult to digest as a reader. However, I've always been intrigued by this angle of writing. The taking of inspiration from one art form and slipping it into your own. It reminds me of that Sean Penn film called "The Indian Runner" which comes from the Bruce Springsteen song, "Highway Patrolman".[/quote]


That's not quite what I said. I read the book in the manner I did because my first duty was to fact-check, I suppose, a test the book passes extremely well with just one minor error (The Pogues' first two albums were not, in fact, available only on import in the USA: delayed though the releases were, they did come out on Stiff/Enigma in the US ([i]Red Roses)[/i] and MCA ([i]Rum, Sodomy).[/i]

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