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  • Quote Eric V

Post by Eric V Tue Dec 12, 2006 12:00 pm

Low D wrote:..... most other Radiators fans aren't nerdy, berry-obsessed homebrewers, and won't be distracted by the possibilty of huckleberry gin actually existing or not, ....


Low D -- This sounds a bit like me, too. But I stopped at ales. I will have to buy this cd.
[quote="Low D"]..... most other Radiators fans aren't nerdy, berry-obsessed homebrewers, and won't be distracted by the possibilty of huckleberry gin actually existing or not, ....[/quote]

Low D -- This sounds a bit like me, too. But I stopped at ales. I will have to buy this cd.
  • Quote Low D

Post by Low D Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:33 am

appolgies, point taken.

anyway, i wouldn't lose any sleep over it. while it didn't have the intended effect on me, one can hope that most other Radiators fans aren't nerdy, berry-obsessed homebrewers, and won't be distracted by the possibilty of huckleberry gin actually existing or not, but would rather just get into the damn song, something i may have ruined for both of us with this exchange.

that said, i've finally been able to have a few good listens to it. and while it put my 3-year old to sleep this afternoon (thanks, by the way), it kept me awake. i don't know what the third album after a 25ish year break is supposed to sound like, but i thought it sounded a bit like it came between the other two, if that makes any sense. at any rate, i think i'm loving it.

cheers!
appolgies, point taken.

anyway, i wouldn't lose any sleep over it. while it didn't have the intended effect on [i]me[/i], one can hope that most other Radiators fans aren't nerdy, berry-obsessed homebrewers, and won't be distracted by the possibilty of huckleberry gin actually existing or not, but would rather just get into the damn song, something i may have ruined for both of us with this exchange.

that said, i've finally been able to have a few good listens to it. and while it put my 3-year old to sleep this afternoon (thanks, by the way), it kept me awake. i don't know what the third album after a 25ish year break is supposed to sound like, but i thought it sounded a bit like it came [i]between[/i] the other two, if that makes any sense. at any rate, i think i'm loving it.

cheers!
  • Quote philipchevron

Post by philipchevron Mon Dec 11, 2006 1:57 am

Hey hey hey!! Whoa!!!

I never, ever make whimsical guesses in song lyrics. Whether or not huckleberry gin was possible was never actually an issue. I write songs, not cocktail recipes. Words sometimes convey a deeper truth than themselves. When I said lightning had not struck twice, I merely meant my use of the word "huckleberry", while it certainly gave you pause, had not, apparently, added to your appreciation or cognitive grasp of the song in which it is contained, as Johnny Mercer's lyrics had done mine. But the words are deliberate whether or not they had the (secondarily) desired effect.

They don't teach this stuff at rock school, more's the pity.
Hey hey hey!! Whoa!!!

I [i]never, ever [/i]make whimsical guesses in song lyrics. Whether or not huckleberry gin was possible was never actually an issue. I write songs, not cocktail recipes. Words sometimes convey a deeper truth than themselves. When I said lightning had not struck twice, I merely meant my use of the word "huckleberry", while it certainly gave you pause, had not, apparently, added to your appreciation or cognitive grasp of the song in which it is contained, as Johnny Mercer's lyrics had done mine. But the words are deliberate whether or [i]not[/i] they had the (secondarily) desired effect.

They don't teach this stuff at rock school, more's the pity.
  • Quote Low D

Re: Hinterland

Post by Low D Mon Dec 11, 2006 12:59 am

well, i just visited my new best friend, wikipedia. who told me:

Huckleberry is a name used in North America for several plants in two closely related genera in the family Ericaceae: Gaylussacia and Vaccinium.
While some Vaccinium species, such as the Red Huckleberry, are always called huckleberries, other species may be called blueberries or huckleberries depending upon local custom. Similar Vaccinium species in Europe are called bilberries.
Note that there is much confusion in naming of berries in American English. The 'garden huckleberry' (Solanum melanocerasum) is not considered to be a true huckleberry but a member of the nightshade family.
The fruit of the various species of plant called huckleberry are generally edible. The berries are small and round, usually less than 5 mm in diameter, and contain 10 relatively large seeds. Berries range in color according to species from bright red, through dark purple, and into the blues. In taste the berries range from tart to sweet, with a flavor similar to that of a blueberry, especially in blue/purple colored varieties. Huckleberries are a favorite of many animals such as bears.


so sweet it can ideed be, so your poeteic guess isn't far off. i've made blueberry wine, which was in fact sweet, so why not sweet huckleberry gin? a google search turned up some recipies for a drink called the "huckleberry gin fizz". my appologies for doubting your accuracy, even if it was a totally whimsical guess on your part!

it was red ones i was thinking of, which are what i generally encounter. but i do remember a trip to an old-growth forest valley just after i moved here where i encountered & consumed no small amount of blue ones (not the more common, low-to-the-ground "blueberries"), and they did tend towards the sweet. as i had consumed no small amount of magic mushrooms before the hike,the experience had slipped my mind.

i once paddled the moon river in a canoe, near perry sound, ontario. i suspect it is not the inspiration for the song, but is a nice trip. takes you to (or from) spider lake, good for a Pogues joke or two.

cheers, & thanks for your attention to the most trivial of questions! bet you were actually expecting commentary on the bloody music, rather than horticultural questioning...
well, i just visited my new best friend, wikipedia. who told me:

[i]Huckleberry is a name used in North America for several plants in two closely related genera in the family Ericaceae: Gaylussacia and Vaccinium.
While some Vaccinium species, such as the Red Huckleberry, are always called huckleberries, other species may be called blueberries or huckleberries depending upon local custom. Similar Vaccinium species in Europe are called bilberries.
Note that there is much confusion in naming of berries in American English. The 'garden huckleberry' (Solanum melanocerasum) is not considered to be a true huckleberry but a member of the nightshade family.
The fruit of the various species of plant called huckleberry are generally edible. The berries are small and round, usually less than 5 mm in diameter, and contain 10 relatively large seeds. Berries range in color according to species from bright red, through dark purple, and into the blues. In taste the berries range from tart to sweet, with a flavor similar to that of a blueberry, especially in blue/purple colored varieties. Huckleberries are a favorite of many animals such as bears.[/i]

so sweet it can ideed be, so your poeteic guess isn't far off. i've made blueberry wine, which was in fact sweet, so why not sweet huckleberry gin? a google search turned up some recipies for a drink called the "huckleberry gin fizz". my appologies for doubting your accuracy, even if it was a totally whimsical guess on your part!

it was red ones i was thinking of, which are what i generally encounter. but i do remember a trip to an old-growth forest valley just after i moved here where i encountered & consumed no small amount of blue ones (not the more common, low-to-the-ground "blueberries"), and they did tend towards the sweet. as i had consumed no small amount of magic mushrooms before the hike,the experience had slipped my mind.

i once paddled the moon river in a canoe, near perry sound, ontario. i suspect it is not the inspiration for the song, but is a nice trip. takes you to (or from) spider lake, good for a Pogues joke or two.

cheers, & thanks for your attention to the most trivial of questions! bet you were actually expecting commentary on the bloody music, rather than horticultural questioning...
  • Quote philipchevron

Re: Hinterland

Post by philipchevron Fri Dec 08, 2006 9:27 pm

Low D wrote:Well, i've just got my copy of Trouble Pilgrim in the mail, with the free Summer Season ep. And i have just two questions, both regarding the song Hinterland:

"before he meets a friend / who's sweeter than huckleberry gin"

1. Aren't huckelberries rather tart? Is this a sarcastic comment, or are huckleberries different on your side of the pond?
2. More importantly, where, pray tell, would i find some huckleberry gin? Or must i expand my homebrew from wine and all grain beer to now include a still as well?

I like the ep, tho it was surprisingly mellow overall. Didn't get a good listen to the album yet, as the kids' violin/guitar teacher arrived, and i had to turn it down.

Well, now i guess i'll order The Television Screen 2004 EP next paycheque (i'm rationed on the music). Wait, two paycheques, i've gotta pick up Skatalites tix next cheque (poor me...)


I just picked this one up now for the first time, sorry.

I've never tasted a huckleberry in my life, and I suppose if it distilled down successfully to Gin, someone would have made some already.

This is what we call in the trade "Poetic License". That is to say, I used the word HUCKLEBERRY to do two jobs. Firstly, to evoke an American South in which the ghosts of Huck Finn and Tom Sawyer still roam and secondly, to pay homage to the romantic idealism of the best song ever written, "Moon River", which contains the extraordinary image

"We're after the same rainbow's end
Waiting round the bend
My huckleberry friend
Moon river and me".

There is something about the way that unexpected "huckleberry" in the lyric instantly positions the mood, location and lonesomeness of the song. I see lightning did not strike twice, but never mind, I'm still just an apprentice.

By the way, the recording of "Hinterland" on the album is hugely superior to the earlier recording on the EP.
[quote="Low D"]Well, i've just got my copy of [i]Trouble Pilgrim[/i] in the mail, with the free [i]Summer Season[/i] ep. And i have just two questions, both regarding the song Hinterland:

"before he meets a friend / who's sweeter than huckleberry gin"

1. Aren't huckelberries rather tart? Is this a sarcastic comment, or are huckleberries different on your side of the pond?
2. More importantly, where, pray tell, would i find some huckleberry gin? Or must i expand my homebrew from wine and all grain beer to now include a still as well?

I like the ep, tho it was surprisingly mellow overall. Didn't get a good listen to the album yet, as the kids' violin/guitar teacher arrived, and i had to turn it down.

Well, now i guess i'll order [i]The Television Screen 2004 EP[/i] next paycheque (i'm rationed on the music). Wait, two paycheques, i've gotta pick up Skatalites tix next cheque (poor me...)[/quote]

I just picked this one up now for the first time, sorry.

I've never tasted a huckleberry in my life, and I suppose if it distilled down successfully to Gin, someone would have made some already.

This is what we call in the trade "Poetic License". That is to say, I used the word HUCKLEBERRY to do two jobs. Firstly, to evoke an American South in which the ghosts of Huck Finn and Tom Sawyer still roam and secondly, to pay homage to the romantic idealism of the best song ever written, "Moon River", which contains the extraordinary image

"We're after the same rainbow's end
Waiting round the bend
My huckleberry friend
Moon river and me".

There is something about the way that unexpected "huckleberry" in the lyric instantly positions the mood, location and lonesomeness of the song. I see lightning did not strike twice, but never mind, I'm still just an apprentice.

By the way, the recording of "Hinterland" on the album is hugely superior to the earlier recording on the EP.
  • Quote Low D

Hinterland

Post by Low D Thu Nov 16, 2006 12:00 am

Well, i've just got my copy of Trouble Pilgrim in the mail, with the free Summer Season ep. And i have just two questions, both regarding the song Hinterland:

"before he meets a friend / who's sweeter than huckleberry gin"

1. Aren't huckelberries rather tart? Is this a sarcastic comment, or are huckleberries different on your side of the pond?
2. More importantly, where, pray tell, would i find some huckleberry gin? Or must i expand my homebrew from wine and all grain beer to now include a still as well?

I like the ep, tho it was surprisingly mellow overall. Didn't get a good listen to the album yet, as the kids' violin/guitar teacher arrived, and i had to turn it down.

Well, now i guess i'll order The Television Screen 2004 EP next paycheque (i'm rationed on the music). Wait, two paycheques, i've gotta pick up Skatalites tix next cheque (poor me...)
Well, i've just got my copy of [i]Trouble Pilgrim[/i] in the mail, with the free [i]Summer Season[/i] ep. And i have just two questions, both regarding the song Hinterland:

"before he meets a friend / who's sweeter than huckleberry gin"

1. Aren't huckelberries rather tart? Is this a sarcastic comment, or are huckleberries different on your side of the pond?
2. More importantly, where, pray tell, would i find some huckleberry gin? Or must i expand my homebrew from wine and all grain beer to now include a still as well?

I like the ep, tho it was surprisingly mellow overall. Didn't get a good listen to the album yet, as the kids' violin/guitar teacher arrived, and i had to turn it down.

Well, now i guess i'll order [i]The Television Screen 2004 EP[/i] next paycheque (i'm rationed on the music). Wait, two paycheques, i've gotta pick up Skatalites tix next cheque (poor me...)
  • Quote Shaz

Post by Shaz Thu Nov 09, 2006 8:46 pm

johnfoyle wrote:I got my copy in Road Records. Like other shops I saw it in, a copy of the Summer Season Ep was going free with it. A first listen has me thinking of Television , Pete/Phil's crunchy guitar sound being very much the equal of the Verlaine/Lloyd sound. Along with the glue of Steve's swirling keyboard work, Johnny's rock-solid beat , Jesse subtle bass and the heartfelt vocals this is a disc I'm going to be listening to a lot. Anita Bonnie's vocals on a few tracks are very welcome, along with the restrained brass work.

Julie 'n Dave in Road were putting the disc on sale when I walked in this morning. It isn't on their site yet but I'm sure it will be soon. It might be a few quid more than the chain stores but , as they say, 'The store is run by two human beings, so you are guaranteed a personal touch. KEEP INDIE STORES ALIVE !'


http://www.roadrecs.com/index.php


Thanks for this tip-off! I ordered from Road Records and was very impressed with their service. Dave ordered the album for me, then posted it to the UK Tuesday pm. It arrived this morning (Thursday) and I'm just about to listen to it now.
[quote="johnfoyle"]I got my copy in Road Records. Like other shops I saw it in, a copy of the Summer Season Ep was going free with it. A first listen has me thinking of Television , Pete/Phil's crunchy guitar sound being very much the equal of the Verlaine/Lloyd sound. Along with the glue of Steve's swirling keyboard work, Johnny's rock-solid beat , Jesse subtle bass and the heartfelt vocals this is a disc I'm going to be listening to a lot. Anita Bonnie's vocals on a few tracks are very welcome, along with the restrained brass work.

Julie 'n Dave in Road were putting the disc on sale when I walked in this morning. It isn't on their site yet but I'm sure it will be soon. It might be a few quid more than the chain stores but , as they say, 'The store is run by two human beings, so you are guaranteed a personal touch. KEEP INDIE STORES ALIVE !'


http://www.roadrecs.com/index.php[/quote]

Thanks for this tip-off! I ordered from Road Records and was very impressed with their service. Dave ordered the album for me, then posted it to the UK Tuesday pm. It arrived this morning (Thursday) and I'm just about to listen to it now.
  • Quote Bud Byrne

Post by Bud Byrne Tue Nov 07, 2006 8:59 am

Trouble Pilgrim is indeed a very fine album. It gets better and better with every listen. I am really trying to get to the gig on the 18th in Whelans. Not sure if I can make it yet but moving mountains to try. And then of course there is the Point in December. :D
Trouble Pilgrim is indeed a very fine album. It gets better and better with every listen. I am really trying to get to the gig on the 18th in Whelans. Not sure if I can make it yet but moving mountains to try. And then of course there is the Point in December. :D
  • Quote CraigBatty

Post by CraigBatty Tue Nov 07, 2006 3:36 am

Icky Baldock wrote:...Wonder who James would have been fighting for today?

I prefer to think he continues to fight alongside all workers, oppressed and downtrodden. My friend, a man I am honoured to know, Martin Doherty - a fine singer/ songwriter, and a staunch union supporter - adds James into his renditions of 'Joe Hill'. Which I find totally appropriate.

My isn't 'Trouble Pilgrim' a FINE album, by the by? :wink:
[quote="Icky Baldock"]...Wonder who James would have been fighting for today?[/quote]
I prefer to think he continues to fight alongside all workers, oppressed and downtrodden. My friend, a man I am honoured to know, Martin Doherty - a fine singer/ songwriter, and a staunch union supporter - adds James into his renditions of 'Joe Hill'. Which I find totally appropriate.

My isn't 'Trouble Pilgrim' a FINE album, by the by? :wink:
  • Quote Icky Baldock

Post by Icky Baldock Tue Nov 07, 2006 3:13 am

Fintan, Your picture of the prison is not off topic for me. When I visited Ireland in 1987 (my one and only trip there), visiting sites like Kilmainham, I never seemed to see anyone between the ages of 15 and 45. Lots of kids and seniors. I chalked it up to a dismal economy. I understand the economy has really improved over the past 20 years. I'd bet the unlimited pints of Guinness I was able to drink at the Guinness factory back in 1987 that the immigration Ireland has seen in the past few several years is a direct result of creation of the EC and Ireland's prosperous role in that community. From what I am reading on this thread, sounds like a few folks should remember what Ireland was like before the immigration boom. Seems like us folks in the U.S. are not the only people with short memories.

That same trip I bought a three cassette collection of Christy Moore songs. The collection had Christy singing accappella, "Oh where, oh where, is our James Connolly; oh where, oh where, is that gallant man; he has gone to organize the union, that working men yet might be free" Wonder who James would have been fighting for today?
Fintan, Your picture of the prison is not off topic for me. When I visited Ireland in 1987 (my one and only trip there), visiting sites like Kilmainham, I never seemed to see anyone between the ages of 15 and 45. Lots of kids and seniors. I chalked it up to a dismal economy. I understand the economy has really improved over the past 20 years. I'd bet the unlimited pints of Guinness I was able to drink at the Guinness factory back in 1987 that the immigration Ireland has seen in the past few several years is a direct result of creation of the EC and Ireland's prosperous role in that community. From what I am reading on this thread, sounds like a few folks should remember what Ireland was like before the immigration boom. Seems like us folks in the U.S. are not the only people with short memories.

That same trip I bought a three cassette collection of Christy Moore songs. The collection had Christy singing accappella, "Oh where, oh where, is our James Connolly; oh where, oh where, is that gallant man; he has gone to organize the union, that working men yet might be free" Wonder who James would have been fighting for today?
  • Quote Bud Byrne

Post by Bud Byrne Mon Nov 06, 2006 11:27 am

Fintan wrote:
philipchevron wrote:...in an era when immigration is such a volatile subject in Ireland.


The Irish have always 'prided' themselves on being the most welcoming, non-racist country in the world but I have always thought this was bascially a load of bollocks. We are more than happy to welcome you if you have money to spend, are not going to stay to long and don't look for a whole lot in return. We have for years, as Philip pointed out, relied on emigration to keep the Irish economy ticking over but now that we are on the crest of a boom we don't like the idea of anyone coming in and taking 'OUR' money away with them. Having had to emigrate to find work in the late 1980's I can fully understand the influx of people we now have and I would have to say the majority of our immigrants are hard working, and in the main in the service industry. Job's that have been very hard to fill in the past, even when unemployment was at it's highest.
[quote="Fintan"][quote="philipchevron"]...in an era when immigration is such a volatile subject in Ireland.[/quote][/quote]

The Irish have always 'prided' themselves on being the most welcoming, non-racist country in the world but I have always thought this was bascially a load of bollocks. We are more than happy to welcome you if you have money to spend, are not going to stay to long and don't look for a whole lot in return. We have for years, as Philip pointed out, relied on emigration to keep the Irish economy ticking over but now that we are on the crest of a boom we don't like the idea of anyone coming in and taking 'OUR' money away with them. Having had to emigrate to find work in the late 1980's I can fully understand the influx of people we now have and I would have to say the majority of our immigrants are hard working, and in the main in the service industry. Job's that have been very hard to fill in the past, even when unemployment was at it's highest.
  • Quote DzM

Post by DzM Sat Nov 04, 2006 6:26 pm

I was asked to pass this along. It's from the October 08, 2006 paper. I'll assume the paper to be in Dublin.

Congratulations, Philip, on having the new release so well received by the critics and fans.

<img src=http://www.dzm.com/export_images/rads.jpg>
I was asked to pass this along. It's from the October 08, 2006 paper. I'll assume the paper to be in Dublin.

Congratulations, Philip, on having the new release so well received by the critics and fans.

<img src=http://www.dzm.com/export_images/rads.jpg>
  • Quote Behan

Post by Behan Sat Nov 04, 2006 3:28 pm

"Hinterland" is currently my fave. However, I will listen to "Huguenot" again, now that I understand the origin a little better. :wink:

Thank God for Wikipedia! I probably learn more history here (The Medusa Fora) than any damn school. :wink:
"Hinterland" is currently my fave. However, I will listen to "Huguenot" again, now that I understand the origin a little better. :wink:

Thank God for Wikipedia! I probably learn more history here (The Medusa Fora) than any damn school. :wink:
  • Quote Mick Molloy

Post by Mick Molloy Sat Nov 04, 2006 10:36 am

Fintan wrote:Image



Back off-topic (sorry you guys). I know the feeling Fintan. I always go back to Kilmainham when in Dublin and that is definitely the most inspiring place there
[quote="Fintan"]
[img]http://www.fintan.com.au/images/fintantemplate/connollysdeathspot.jpg[/img]

[/quote]

Back off-topic (sorry you guys). I know the feeling Fintan. I always go back to Kilmainham when in Dublin and that is definitely the most inspiring place there
  • Quote philipchevron

Post by philipchevron Sat Nov 04, 2006 9:52 am

Fintan wrote:Whence comes your Huguenot ancestry? And are they represented in the tiny Dublin Huguenot cemetery?


I actually know very little about it, though my second cousin Michael O'Connor, who is a traditional Irish musician, and whose mother was a La Grue, has been trying to fill in the family tree blanks for some time now.

The Huguenot name La Grue survives in Dublin. My mother, of that ilk, had 5 fertile brothers (as well as 2 sisters) so I have numerous cousins who bear the name. As far as we know, they pitched up in Dublin during the Catholic Cardinal Richeliu's expulsion of them from France during the religious wars. Mainly tradesmen, weavers, artisans, goldsmiths etc, they colonised the Liberties area of Dublin just outside the (then) city limits around Christchurch Cathedral. People from the Liberties tend to classify themselves as Liberties folk first, Dubliners second, Irish third, and in this crowded heritage you tend not to hear a great deal about their immigrant background from them. At some point, it's clear most immigrant Huguenots converted to the oppressor Faith, probably via marriage with the natives, but It's interesting enough that they once felt they could freely practise their Protestantism in imperial Dublin, though not France.

But do you know, I've never been in the Huguenot cemetery. It's something I keep meaning to remedy and will soon.
[quote="Fintan"]Whence comes your Huguenot ancestry? And are they represented in the tiny Dublin Huguenot cemetery?[/quote]

I actually know very little about it, though my second cousin Michael O'Connor, who is a traditional Irish musician, and whose mother was a La Grue, has been trying to fill in the family tree blanks for some time now.

The Huguenot name La Grue survives in Dublin. My mother, of that ilk, had 5 fertile brothers (as well as 2 sisters) so I have numerous cousins who bear the name. As far as we know, they pitched up in Dublin during the Catholic Cardinal Richeliu's expulsion of them from France during the religious wars. Mainly tradesmen, weavers, artisans, goldsmiths etc, they colonised the Liberties area of Dublin just outside the (then) city limits around Christchurch Cathedral. People from the Liberties tend to classify themselves as Liberties folk first, Dubliners second, Irish third, and in this crowded heritage you tend not to hear a great deal about their immigrant background from them. At some point, it's clear most immigrant Huguenots converted to the oppressor Faith, probably via marriage with the natives, but It's interesting enough that they once felt they could freely practise their Protestantism in imperial Dublin, though not France.

But do you know, I've never been in the Huguenot cemetery. It's something I keep meaning to remedy and will soon.

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