John Grinny Grinton / NIPS drummer

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Re: John Grinny Grinton / NIPS drummer

Post by minny grinny Wed Jan 01, 2014 3:51 am

I am the daughter of grinny!! My dad was in the nips/tumbling dice/ skrewdriver as a drummer! He was in a white power band but i think this was all a front as part of character as band as bk then were all teddys/skinhead!! Like todays chav /emos!! Regardless of what he was tho, he was a fantastic drummer as well as a fantastic dad, although that was cut short!!
R.I.P.
Thanks

Hannah (minny grinny)

Re: John Grinny Grinton / NIPS drummer

Post by Low D Tue Sep 24, 2013 6:06 pm

Well, reading that interview he claims he joined the NF in 1980. Any reasonable definition of the NF's platforms is indeed racist. So it's fair to say that he does hold, or at least has held, racist views in his support of the NF platform. There we have it, horse's mouth and all.

As to the discussion of this thread, 1980 is after his tenure in The Nips, and, as has been noted, the first Skrewdriver album was not nationalist or racist in content. And if we take Philip at his word that the band was just "bunch of nice kids from Blackpool", it's reasonable to assume that - whatever right wing politics any of it's members had - they weren't throwing them in people's faces back in the day.

So i think the question that was on most people's mind here - Did the Nips have a fascist in the band? - has been answered with a clear enuf "No."

The secondary questions of was Ginny ever a racist, NF supporting twit has also been answered, which is a bit interesting to me as common wisdom on the subject (by those of us who weren't there and know nothing about it) has held that the nationalist thing was Ian's shtick alone. Although realizing that they were all childhood friends makes it less surprising.

Re: John Grinny Grinton / NIPS drummer

Post by Grinton21 Tue Sep 24, 2013 1:43 pm

SHARP Skinhead wrote:Apparently old Grinny was always a racist and joined the NF even:
http://www.ainaskin.com/interviews/
(scroll down past the Ian stuart interviews)
He even had his daughters listen to "nationalist" (or more accurately "racist") music.


Nationalist music, not so much. I'm his daughter and me and my sister were Never brought up with rasist music or a rasist father. So don't conclude things from everything you read on the internet.

Re: John Grinny Grinton / NIPS drummer

Post by SHARP Skinhead Tue May 03, 2011 1:27 pm

Apparently old Grinny was always a racist and joined the NF even:
http://www.ainaskin.com/interviews/
(scroll down past the Ian stuart interviews)
He even had his daughters listen to "nationalist" (or more accurately "racist") music.

Re: Nate

Post by Low D Wed Jun 24, 2009 9:54 pm

IrishRover wrote:oi loike MDC ! :)


The late great Utah Phillips - storyteller, songwriter, anarchist, and american folk icon; amongst other jobs - had a phrase for songs like that: "Ogden Nash would blush".

I've always said that, if you can hear the rhyme coming 1/2 a verse away, it makes it easier to sing along. And even though i don't listen to the punk as often as i used to, i *still* love MDC. And Dave Dictor is once of the nicest guys you'll meet.

Re: Nate

Post by IrishRover Wed Jun 24, 2009 9:05 pm

Low D wrote:
STEVIE wrote:WHAT ever happened to the singer of Skredriver .


yes, he died drinking & driving, and has been memorialized in an MDC song:

NAZIS SHOULDN'T DRIVE

Nazis... shouldn't drive (their cars)
Oi Oi Oi OI!

They shouldn't be driving day or night
They can't think left, they can only think right
The sun reflects off their bald head
Like Ian Stuart they're going to wind up dead

Nazis... shouldn't drive (their cars)
Oi Oi Oi OI!

They should've paid attention in driver's ed
Instead of hating foreigners, queers and reds
Keep your eyes on the highway you loser thug
Now you're squished on the highway like a bug

Nazis... shouldn't drive (their cars)
Oi Oi Oi OI!

Ian, Ian, King of the Pit, no friend to you or me
Aaaaaaaaaaah! Watch out for that tree!


oi loike MDC ! :)

Re: John Grinny Grinton / NIPS drummer

Post by philipchevron Wed Jun 24, 2009 8:36 pm

RoddyRuddy wrote:Recently got a dogy CDR copy of Skrewdriver - All Skrewed Up [MP3]Lp. [bought a nice coffee table as well] :oops: no cover or art work
This was listened to prove /disprove the may comments about the lp . Hope most of you on here know that Iam anti fasicts/nazi so no stupid insults .Have to say it is very like many punk records of the time eg 1234.Sadly most of the lyrics are just very juvenile and as a result are not much too right home about .Happly they are not the right wing scum lyrics of the latter lps .Manly just about lack of money, cars & girls.There is one lyric that was a little prophetic QUOTE "....I'm prayin' to break out free now
Playin' in a rock'n'roll band
Playin' that rock'n'roll music
Probably gonna get us banned ....." end quote.
Listening to it has finaly but to bed the great unease that I personnely had about any drummer from The Nips [ John Grinton] or Mark Radcliff being connected to this band. Also cofirmed other members comments about the lp
I will not been listening to it again.


Skrewdriver were signed to Chiswick Records at the same time as the Radiators and our early singles and debut albums were more or less contemporary. Chiswick initially lumped both bands together in press statements, as evidence there were punk bands outside London - they from Blackpool, we from Dublin. The same producer, Roger Armstrong, supervised the early recordings of both bands. While I always felt Skrewdriver were a bit naive and hopelessly one-dimensional, they certainly were not the White Power supremos they later went on to be. All Skrewed Up is pretty much a standard-issue noisy punk album, but it contains none of the repugnant racist positions the band would later take and which would make their name and logo infamous all over the world (and banned on eBay, incidentally). Chiswick Records many years ago ceased to exploit Skrewdriver's recordings, which is honourable enough when you consider how much money they could have made from their repertoire (an album and two singles).

Shane and the Nips of course covered much of the same North London/West End "Murphia" territory as ourselves and Skrewdriver, which is how Grinny got involved with the Nips.

Re: John Grinny Grinton / NIPS drummer

Post by RoddyRuddy Wed Jun 24, 2009 8:18 pm

Recently got a dogy CDR copy of Skrewdriver - All Skrewed Up [MP3]Lp. [bought a nice coffee table as well] :oops: no cover or art work
This was listened to prove /disprove the may comments about the lp . Hope most of you on here know that Iam anti fasicts/nazi so no stupid insults .Have to say it is very like many punk records of the time eg 1234.Sadly most of the lyrics are just very juvenile and as a result are not much too right home about .Happly they are not the right wing scum lyrics of the latter lps .Manly just about lack of money, cars & girls.There is one lyric that was a little prophetic QUOTE "....I'm prayin' to break out free now
Playin' in a rock'n'roll band
Playin' that rock'n'roll music
Probably gonna get us banned ....." end quote.
Listening to it has finaly but to bed the great unease that I personnely had about any drummer from The Nips [ John Grinton] or Mark Radcliff being connected to this band. Also cofirmed other members comments about the lp
I will not been listening to it again.

Re: Nate

Post by Low D Fri Apr 13, 2007 7:06 pm

STEVIE wrote:WHAT ever happened to the singer of Skredriver .


yes, he died drinking & driving, and has been memorialized in an MDC song:

NAZIS SHOULDN'T DRIVE

Nazis... shouldn't drive (their cars)
Oi Oi Oi OI!

They shouldn't be driving day or night
They can't think left, they can only think right
The sun reflects off their bald head
Like Ian Stuart they're going to wind up dead

Nazis... shouldn't drive (their cars)
Oi Oi Oi OI!

They should've paid attention in driver's ed
Instead of hating foreigners, queers and reds
Keep your eyes on the highway you loser thug
Now you're squished on the highway like a bug

Nazis... shouldn't drive (their cars)
Oi Oi Oi OI!

Ian, Ian, King of the Pit, no friend to you or me
Aaaaaaaaaaah! Watch out for that tree!

Re: Nate

Post by Guest Fri Apr 13, 2007 9:59 am

STEVIE wrote:Like Nate , I also think I may be alittle late with this post,but I seem to remember reading an article by an Ex drummer of Skrewdriver ,who gave an account of his time in the group,being signed to chiswick records ,came into contact with bands also signed to the label through recording,drinking and living in squats,bands referred to in the article were the Radiators From Space , Motorhead, and the NIPS, specific referrence is made in a complimentry way to ,Shane Mc Gowan. This was in the late seventies,early eighties,long before Skrewdrivers 1984 version of reinvention ,of a group who were never any good anyway .Just heard on tv Saddam H has been executed. WHAT ever happened to the singer of Skredriver .Iwill try and find the article I read and let you know were it can be read. ///IF anyones interested///thanks..

the singer ian steward died in a car crash

Re: John Grinny Grinton / NIPS drummer

Post by Guest Fri Apr 13, 2007 9:57 am

RoddyRuddy wrote:Is it true that the NIPS drummer also went on to play with Skrewdriver?. A band with NF conections.
This would greatly shock me as I allways thought Shane would strongly opposed to these kind of views. Added to the fact that he also knocked about with Paul Weller (Jam) whose strongly left wing & anti racist views are well know.

Did Mark Radcliff once drum with Skrewdriver ? Again this does not seem to add up .


yes john grinton did drum for skrewdriver! hes my dad and we have lots of books on skrewdrive and origional merchandise! he died nearly two yr ago tho! RIP

Re: Nate

Post by MacRua Sat Dec 30, 2006 8:50 am

STEVIE wrote:Iwill try and find the article I read and let you know were it can be read. ///IF anyones interested///thanks..


This interview?

Nate

Post by STEVIE Sat Dec 30, 2006 3:16 am

Like Nate , I also think I may be alittle late with this post,but I seem to remember reading an article by an Ex drummer of Skrewdriver ,who gave an account of his time in the group,being signed to chiswick records ,came into contact with bands also signed to the label through recording,drinking and living in squats,bands referred to in the article were the Radiators From Space , Motorhead, and the NIPS, specific referrence is made in a complimentry way to ,Shane Mc Gowan. This was in the late seventies,early eighties,long before Skrewdrivers 1984 version of reinvention ,of a group who were never any good anyway .Just heard on tv Saddam H has been executed. WHAT ever happened to the singer of Skredriver .Iwill try and find the article I read and let you know were it can be read. ///IF anyones interested///thanks..

Post by Nate Thu Dec 28, 2006 1:53 pm

philipchevron wrote:For the record, Skrewdriver's Chiswick ouput was adequate, enthusiastic identipunk.


I too am a little late to this parade. But when I asked about identipunks here the term seemed to be applied only with derision. But it sounds like that isn't the case. Could somebody say a little more about them?

Sorry if this seems a little naive - I haven't got any punks around to ask them. :wink:

Nate

Post by duncan disorderly Tue Dec 19, 2006 8:41 pm

Nate wrote:Its true:

"Radcliffe was born in Bolton, UK in 1958, and took an interest in music from a young age, playing the drums in a number of unsuccessful bands (including, briefly, Skrewdriver - before their infamous incarnation as a racist band)..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Radcliffe


Yeah I know im a bit slow on this one I must keep up. But read Mark Radcliffes book "Diary of a ROck and Roll nobody " It is excellent. He did drum for Skrewdriver before they went all NF. IT is hilarious. I enjoyed it.

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