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  • Quote Zuzana

Post by Zuzana Fri Nov 26, 2004 8:42 pm

McMullen Of Bally Connel wrote:well its like the Old classic "im a rover " says "ITS WHEN IM DRINKING IM ALWAYS THINKING HOW TO GAINS LIFES COMPANY"

Well, as far as I know the famous rover seldom sober was thinking about how to gain his love’s company... But there are many roving drunkards, perhaps you meant another one. ;) Just tell me one thing: what’s the connection between your rover and the poor old digging man? Did the rover fall into one of the holes and then cured his wounds with spirits? Or did he dream about following the digging business as well to search for buried treasures? Uncover this mystery, please! :lol:
[quote="McMullen Of Bally Connel"]well its like the Old classic "im a rover " says "ITS WHEN IM DRINKING IM ALWAYS THINKING HOW TO GAINS LIFES COMPANY"[/quote]
Well, as far as I know the famous rover seldom sober was thinking about how to gain his love’s company... But there are many roving drunkards, perhaps you meant another one. ;) Just tell me one thing: what’s the connection between your rover and the poor old digging man? Did the rover fall into one of the holes and then cured his wounds with spirits? Or did he dream about following the digging business as well to search for buried treasures? Uncover this mystery, please! :lol:
  • Quote McMullen Of Bally Connel

Post by McMullen Of Bally Connel Fri Nov 26, 2004 7:49 pm

well its like the Old classic "im a rover " says "ITS WHEN IM DRINKING IM ALWAYS THINKING HOW TO GAINS LIFES COMPANY"
well its like the Old classic "im a rover " says "ITS WHEN IM DRINKING IM ALWAYS THINKING HOW TO GAINS LIFES COMPANY"
  • Quote MacRua

Post by MacRua Fri Nov 26, 2004 3:56 pm

Who knows... Maybe you are right. Even oldest men from our local can say nothing for certain... There were loads of different rumours, wise, funny and just silly, but rumour is just a rumour, it never brings you closer to solution. They talked about treasures, killed wives, old family doom, bad harvest of potatoes and even gasification of neighbourhood (it was the greatest fib as we discovered much later).
I can't say now when I saw him for the first time... Seems like that poor digging man kept digging somewhere near since my very early years. In winter and summer, day and night, on week days and Sundays. And he never changed... Sometimes you could hear tap of his spade from far away, somewhere amid bogs, or remote hills. Sometimes you could encounter him absolutely unexpectedly in a dark coming back home from your local. And it was really frighten, you know, bang, and you fell over his bloody spade or fell in one of fucking holes he made all around. People used to break legs and arms. He was a real doom of our place till they gave us electricity. Then only careless drunkards who tried to shorten their ways through bogs became his victims... I loved to watch after him sitting upon the fence by the road or on the edge of the ditch and sipping something from the bottle. And I was careful and never abused sitting upon wooden fence. But there was nobody who could take care about him, stop poor man from digging, somebody who could take away his spade and saved him from becoming a spade himself.. I am really afraid it's happenned to him (I mean spadefication). Step by step he turned into spade. And once someone found him (actually a human-shaped spade) on top of lonely hill, took to farm and closed in shed. That's why we have not been seeing him for ages here...
Who knows... Maybe you are right. Even oldest men from our local can say nothing for certain... There were loads of different rumours, wise, funny and just silly, but rumour is just a rumour, it never brings you closer to solution. They talked about treasures, killed wives, old family doom, bad harvest of potatoes and even gasification of neighbourhood (it was the greatest fib as we discovered much later).
I can't say now when I saw him for the first time... Seems like that poor digging man kept digging somewhere near since my very early years. In winter and summer, day and night, on week days and Sundays. And he never changed... Sometimes you could hear tap of his spade from far away, somewhere amid bogs, or remote hills. Sometimes you could encounter him absolutely unexpectedly in a dark coming back home from your local. And it was really frighten, you know, bang, and you fell over his bloody spade or fell in one of fucking holes he made all around. People used to break legs and arms. He was a real doom of our place till they gave us electricity. Then only careless drunkards who tried to shorten their ways through bogs became his victims... I loved to watch after him sitting upon the fence by the road or on the edge of the ditch and sipping something from the bottle. And I was careful and never abused sitting upon wooden fence. But there was nobody who could take care about him, stop poor man from digging, somebody who could take away his spade and saved him from becoming a spade himself.. I am really afraid it's happenned to him (I mean spadefication). Step by step he turned into spade. And once someone found him (actually a human-shaped spade) on top of lonely hill, took to farm and closed in shed. That's why we have not been seeing him for ages here...
  • Quote Zuzana

Post by Zuzana Sat Nov 13, 2004 7:26 pm

One cannot help wondering what makes the old fellow pursue his task so assiduously... It cannot be just workaholism. Only one plausible reason comes to mind: He is looking for his long lost bottle filled from the stream of whiskey which takes its rise on the top of a fabled mountain in the obscure depths of Gaeltacht. The bottomless bottle whose contents of uisce beatha never diminishes, no matter how much one drinks up. The bottle he once buried deep in the ground for no one else to share; a deed committed in a fit of greediness, and – alas! – also in a drunken state that blurred his memory. No wonder that he keeps digging... especially in the vicinity of pubs.

We definitely shouldn't keep him from his quest. Once he succeeds, we will need neither a billionaire, nor a millionaire to carry out the getting-drunk part of our plan – his never diminishing bottle will be more than enough for the whole company.
One cannot help wondering what makes the old fellow pursue his task so assiduously... It cannot be just workaholism. Only one plausible reason comes to mind: He is looking for his long lost bottle filled from the stream of whiskey which takes its rise on the top of a fabled mountain in the obscure depths of Gaeltacht. The bottomless bottle whose contents of uisce beatha never diminishes, no matter how much one drinks up. The bottle he once buried deep in the ground for no one else to share; a deed committed in a fit of greediness, and – alas! – also in a drunken state that blurred his memory. No wonder that he keeps digging... especially in the vicinity of pubs.

We definitely shouldn't keep him from his quest. Once he succeeds, we will need neither a billionaire, nor a millionaire to carry out the getting-drunk part of our plan – his never diminishing bottle will be more than enough for the whole company.
  • Quote MacRua

Post by MacRua Fri Nov 12, 2004 12:19 pm

No pecuniary reward then? It makes our task easier. There are much more millionairs around than billionairs. With kind help from one of them the second (getting-drunk) part of our plan could last for cupla weeks. Not bad.

As for that old labour-addict.. Have you ever seen his poor hands ?! total mess of flash. He could not hold a glass! But it didn't matter, anyway he had no time for such follies. Nothing could keep him from digging. All local bartenders asked him to stay away from their property... Take him to our party and they will sue you to death...
No pecuniary reward then? It makes our task easier. There are much more millionairs around than billionairs. With kind help from one of them the second (getting-drunk) part of our plan could last for cupla weeks. Not bad.

As for that old labour-addict.. Have you ever seen his poor hands ?! total mess of flash. He could not hold a glass! But it didn't matter, anyway he had no time for such follies. Nothing could keep him from digging. All local bartenders asked him to stay away from their property... Take him to our party and they will sue you to death...
  • Quote Zuzana

Post by Zuzana Fri Nov 12, 2004 9:09 am

A billionaire?! Such high demands? The original suggestion was for a honourable mention. If we stick to that, we won’t lose time looking for the rare billionaire species and could jump straight to the getting-drunk phase. And if it’s after his 27-hour working shift, we can even invite that poor creature with only brogues and spade...
A billionaire?! Such high demands? The original suggestion was for a honourable mention. If we stick to that, we won’t lose time looking for the rare billionaire species and could jump straight to the getting-drunk phase. And if it’s after his 27-hour working shift, we can even invite that poor creature with only brogues and spade...
  • Quote MacRua

Post by MacRua Thu Nov 11, 2004 3:28 pm

Once I knew a man of that kind, but he had nothing beside brogues and spade...
Don't forget we need billionaire ! (to award all around first and to get drunk later )
Once I knew a man of that kind, but he had nothing beside brogues and spade...
Don't forget we need billionaire ! (to award all around first and to get drunk later )
  • Quote Maija

Post by Maija Thu Nov 11, 2004 1:26 pm

I am still looking for that special 80-90-year old man, single with an intense wish to marry, with a 27-hour working day and a weak heart. Maybe, if I find him, he could help out!
I am still looking for that special 80-90-year old man, single with an intense wish to marry, with a 27-hour working day and a weak heart. Maybe, if I find him, he could help out!
  • Quote MacRua

Post by MacRua Thu Nov 04, 2004 5:28 pm

What about this formulation?


Brilliant! Totally agree !!!



Let’s award all people/things


We'll need fucking wealthy sponsors :wink:
[quote]What about this formulation? [/quote]

Brilliant! Totally agree !!!



[quote]Let’s award all people/things [/quote]

We'll need fucking wealthy sponsors :wink:
  • Quote Zuzana

Post by Zuzana Thu Nov 04, 2004 5:06 pm

MacRua wrote: As for the obvious (obvious for grown-up with experience) difference between highly spiritual drunkards and down-to-earth non-drunks one needs time to realize it, to feel the fancy of inner world, to see advantages of introspection, to get closer with other developers of spiritual values... Could a young irish boy (even genius one) know all of that? I'm not sure. Maybe he got some intuitive knowledge, soaked it with guinness in old farm... But it took time and proper treatment in Bethlem to turn that intuitive knowledge into philosophy...


That’s true; we should not mix up causes and effects. Let's say that Guiness-soaked intuition combined with a certain penchant for escapism (and with intervention of caring parents) led a young genius Irish boy to an above mentioned mental institution - instead of leading him astray - and the proper treatment he enjoyed there helped to open up his eyes, to help him see the advantages of introspection, to turn his already unique personality into a highly spiritual drunkard and develop a corresponding life philosophy. What about this formulation? :wink:

MacRua wrote:To award developers for Shane's parents had to leave Ireland (and later took him to England too)?! What for ?! It's not their merit! I'd suggest better candidates - Dev, Costello, etc.

What about this? Let’s award all people/things who/which – though perhaps unintentionally, perhaps without even knowing it – helped to shape the natural genius into the Irish national treasure we all know and love. Including Bethlehem nurses, London policemen, every forgotten uncle and auntie, his first bottle of whiskey, broad majestic Shannon, and small birds singing Jug Of Punch... :wink:
[quote="MacRua"] As for the obvious (obvious for grown-up with experience) difference between highly spiritual drunkards and down-to-earth non-drunks one needs time to realize it, to feel the fancy of inner world, to see advantages of introspection, to get closer with other developers of spiritual values... Could a young irish boy (even genius one) know all of that? I'm not sure. Maybe he got some intuitive knowledge, soaked it with guinness in old farm... But it took time and proper treatment in Bethlem to turn that intuitive knowledge into philosophy...[/quote]

That’s true; we should not mix up causes and effects. Let's say that Guiness-soaked intuition combined with a certain penchant for escapism (and with intervention of caring parents) led a young genius Irish boy to an above mentioned mental institution - instead of leading him astray - and the proper treatment he enjoyed there helped to open up his eyes, to help him see the advantages of introspection, to turn his already unique personality into a highly spiritual drunkard and develop a corresponding life philosophy. What about this formulation? :wink:

[quote="MacRua"]To award developers for Shane's parents had to leave Ireland (and later took him to England too)?! What for ?! It's not their merit! I'd suggest better candidates - Dev, Costello, etc.[/quote]
What about this? Let’s award all people/things who/which – though perhaps unintentionally, perhaps without even knowing it – helped to shape the natural genius into the Irish national treasure we all know and love. Including Bethlehem nurses, London policemen, every forgotten uncle and auntie, his first bottle of whiskey, broad majestic Shannon, and small birds singing Jug Of Punch... :wink:
  • Quote MacRua

Post by MacRua Thu Nov 04, 2004 1:08 pm

Zuzana wrote:An escapism, sure – but also perhaps a bit of life philosophy? :wink:


An escapism itself is a bit of philosophy :wink: and a bit of sport...

As for the obvious (obvious for grown-up with experience) difference between highly spiritual drunkards and down-to-earth non-drunks one needs time to realize it, to feel the fancy of inner world, to see advantages of introspection, to get closer with other developers of spiritual values... Could a young irish boy (even genius one) know all of that? I'm not sure. Maybe he got some intuitive knowledge, soaked it with guinness in old farm... But it took time and proper treatment in Bethlem to turn that intuitive knowledge into philosophy...



The question stands whether the developers should not be awarded, at the same time, with a special honourable mention for providing Shane with impetus that led to enormous enrichment of the world treasury of music. Just think of all the songs which would never see the light of day if Shane still lived happily in Tipperary


To award developers for Shane's parents had to leave Ireland (and later took him to England too)?! What for ?!
It's not their merit! I'd suggest better candidates - Dev, Costello, etc.
[quote="Zuzana"]An escapism, sure – but also perhaps a bit of life philosophy? :wink: [/quote]

An escapism itself is a bit of philosophy :wink: and a bit of sport...

As for the obvious (obvious for grown-up with experience) difference between highly spiritual drunkards and down-to-earth non-drunks one needs time to realize it, to feel the fancy of inner world, to see advantages of introspection, to get closer with other developers of spiritual values... Could a young irish boy (even genius one) know all of that? I'm not sure. Maybe he got some intuitive knowledge, soaked it with guinness in old farm... But it took time and proper treatment in Bethlem to turn that intuitive knowledge into philosophy...



[quote]The question stands whether the developers should not be awarded, at the same time, with a special honourable mention for providing Shane with impetus that led to enormous enrichment of the world treasury of music. Just think of all the songs which would never see the light of day if Shane still lived happily in Tipperary[/quote]

To award developers for Shane's parents had to leave Ireland (and later took him to England too)?! What for ?!
It's not their merit! I'd suggest better candidates - Dev, Costello, etc.
  • Quote Zuzana

Post by Zuzana Thu Nov 04, 2004 11:57 am

MacRua wrote: So it's developers' fault ! Fruits of their wicked activity led Shane into loony bin, they should be blamed and sued!

The question stands whether the developers should not be awarded, at the same time, with a special honourable mention for providing Shane with impetus that led to enormous enrichment of the world treasury of music. Just think of all the songs which would never see the light of day if Shane still lived happily in Tipperary:

Dark Streets of London
Transmetropolitan
Boys From the County Hell
London You’re a Lady
St Johns of Gods

... and many, many more. :wink: :wink: :wink:
[quote="MacRua"] So it's developers' fault ! Fruits of their wicked activity led Shane into loony bin, they should be blamed and sued! [/quote]
The question stands whether the developers should not be awarded, at the same time, with a special honourable mention for providing Shane with impetus that led to enormous enrichment of the world treasury of music. Just think of all the songs which would never see the light of day if Shane still lived happily in Tipperary:

Dark Streets of London
Transmetropolitan
Boys From the County Hell
London You’re a Lady
St Johns of Gods

... and many, many more. :wink: :wink: :wink:
  • Quote Zuzana

Post by Zuzana Thu Nov 04, 2004 11:55 am

MacRua wrote:Booze, pills and things were mere reaction, kinda escapism.

An escapism, sure – but also perhaps a bit of life philosophy? :wink:

"The most important thing to remember about drunks is that drunks are far more intelligent than non-drunks -they spend a lot of time talking in pubs unlike workaholics who concentrate on their careers and ambitions, who never develop their higher spiritual values, who never explore the insides of their head like a drunk does." Mr. Shane MacGowan
[quote="MacRua"]Booze, pills and things were mere reaction, kinda escapism.[/quote]
An escapism, sure – but also perhaps a bit of life philosophy? :wink:

"The most important thing to remember about drunks is that drunks are far more intelligent than non-drunks -they spend a lot of time talking in pubs unlike workaholics who concentrate on their careers and ambitions, who never develop their higher spiritual values, who never explore the insides of their head like a drunk does." Mr. Shane MacGowan
  • Quote Christine1

Post by Christine1 Thu Nov 04, 2004 11:43 am

Actually, the entire lyrics deserve quotation:

PINNED DOWN

FIXED UP
SET UP
SMACKED UP
JACKED UP
SCREWED UP
SPEWED UP
FUCKED UP
LOCKED UP
SITTING THERE IN CHOKEY
FOURTEEN YEARS OLD
NO LOCK ON THE DOOR
BUT NO WAY OUT
NO JOKING
NO HOPING
NO NOTHING
PINNED DOWN.

FAT GREASY SHRINKS
NOSEY BASTARDS
GOT NO REASON
FOR THE THINGS
THEY ASK YOU
KEEP YOU THERE
IN A HOLE
TILL YOU'RE READY
FOR JAIL AND DOLE
TAKE AWAY YOUR SOUL
PINNED DOWN.

WAKE UP AND YOUR HEART'S
NOT BEATING
TRY TO KILL YOURSELF
BUT THEY GOT YOU
BEATEN
YOU TRY TO TAKE IT
AWAY FROM THEM
ONCE, THEN TWICE
AND THEN AGAIN AND
AGAIN AND AGAIN AND
AGAIN AND AGAIN.
JUMP OUT OF THE WINDOW
SLASH YOUR WRISTS
ALL YOU REALLY WANTED
WAS TO SCREW AND GET PISSED.
AND THE SKY IS BLACK
BUT YOU CAN'T GO BACK
AND THE WAY AHEAD JUST LEADS TO
THE CHANDLER CLINIC.
AND THERE'S NOTHING THERE
EXCEPT MADNESS AND DESPAIR
PINNED DOWN.

DEHYDRATION
HUMILIATION
DEGRADATION
MIND CASTRATION
AND THE SKY IS BLACK
AND THE ONE NEXT TO YOU
KEEPS THINKING.
THEY'RE HAVING A HEART ATTACK.
PINNED DOWN.

DESOLATION
ON MEDICATION
NURSE NURSE NURSE
I CAN'T SLEEP
NURSE NURSE NURSE
CAN I HAVE MORE PLEASE
NURSE NURSE NURSE
NOW THEY GOT YOU
ON YOUR FUCKING KNEES
THAT'S WHERE THEY LIKE
YOU TO BE
ECT DID A JOB ON ME.
PINNED DOWN.

This was published, together with "Hands Of The Barmaid" and "The Dunes", in Sarah-Jane Lovett's oral: poems, sonnets, lyrics and the like, London, 1999.
Actually, the entire lyrics deserve quotation:

PINNED DOWN

FIXED UP
SET UP
SMACKED UP
JACKED UP
SCREWED UP
SPEWED UP
FUCKED UP
LOCKED UP
SITTING THERE IN CHOKEY
FOURTEEN YEARS OLD
NO LOCK ON THE DOOR
BUT NO WAY OUT
NO JOKING
NO HOPING
NO NOTHING
PINNED DOWN.

FAT GREASY SHRINKS
NOSEY BASTARDS
GOT NO REASON
FOR THE THINGS
THEY ASK YOU
KEEP YOU THERE
IN A HOLE
TILL YOU'RE READY
FOR JAIL AND DOLE
TAKE AWAY YOUR SOUL
PINNED DOWN.

WAKE UP AND YOUR HEART'S
NOT BEATING
TRY TO KILL YOURSELF
BUT THEY GOT YOU
BEATEN
YOU TRY TO TAKE IT
AWAY FROM THEM
ONCE, THEN TWICE
AND THEN AGAIN AND
AGAIN AND AGAIN AND
AGAIN AND AGAIN.
JUMP OUT OF THE WINDOW
SLASH YOUR WRISTS
ALL YOU REALLY WANTED
WAS TO SCREW AND GET PISSED.
AND THE SKY IS BLACK
BUT YOU CAN'T GO BACK
AND THE WAY AHEAD JUST LEADS TO
THE CHANDLER CLINIC.
AND THERE'S NOTHING THERE
EXCEPT MADNESS AND DESPAIR
PINNED DOWN.

DEHYDRATION
HUMILIATION
DEGRADATION
MIND CASTRATION
AND THE SKY IS BLACK
AND THE ONE NEXT TO YOU
KEEPS THINKING.
THEY'RE HAVING A HEART ATTACK.
PINNED DOWN.

DESOLATION
ON MEDICATION
NURSE NURSE NURSE
I CAN'T SLEEP
NURSE NURSE NURSE
CAN I HAVE MORE PLEASE
NURSE NURSE NURSE
NOW THEY GOT YOU
ON YOUR FUCKING KNEES
THAT'S WHERE THEY LIKE
YOU TO BE
ECT DID A JOB ON ME.
PINNED DOWN.

This was published, together with "Hands Of The Barmaid" and "The Dunes", in Sarah-Jane Lovett's oral: poems, sonnets, lyrics and the like, London, 1999.
  • Quote Christine1

Post by Christine1 Thu Nov 04, 2004 11:28 am

Which is why "Pinned Down" is such a personal and moving song, which should long since have been published.

FAT GREASY SHRINKS
NOSEY BASTARDS
GOT NO REASON
FOR THE THINGS
THEY ASK YOU
KEEP YOU THERE
IN A HOLE
TILL YOU'RE READY
FOR JAIL AND DOLE
TAKE AWAY YOUR SOUL
PINNED DOWN.

....

JUMP OUT OF THE WINDOW
SLASH YOUR WRISTS
ALL YOU REALLY WANTED
WAS TO SCREW AND GET PISSED.
AND THE SKY IS BLACK
BUT YOU CAN'T GO BACK
AND THE WAY AHEAD JUST LEADS TO
THE CHANDLER CLINIC.
AND THERE'S NOTHING THERE
EXCEPT MADNESS AND DESPAIR
PINNED DOWN.

...

DESOLATION
ON MEDICATION
NURSE NURSE NURSE
I CAN'T SLEEP
NURSE NURSE NURSE
CAN I HAVE MORE PLEASE
NURSE NURSE NURSE
NOW THEY GOT YOU
ON YOUR FUCKING KNEES
THAT'S WHERE THEY LIKE
YOU TO BE
ECT DID A JOB ON ME.
PINNED DOWN.
Which is why "Pinned Down" is such a personal and moving song, which should long since have been published.

FAT GREASY SHRINKS
NOSEY BASTARDS
GOT NO REASON
FOR THE THINGS
THEY ASK YOU
KEEP YOU THERE
IN A HOLE
TILL YOU'RE READY
FOR JAIL AND DOLE
TAKE AWAY YOUR SOUL
PINNED DOWN.

....

JUMP OUT OF THE WINDOW
SLASH YOUR WRISTS
ALL YOU REALLY WANTED
WAS TO SCREW AND GET PISSED.
AND THE SKY IS BLACK
BUT YOU CAN'T GO BACK
AND THE WAY AHEAD JUST LEADS TO
THE CHANDLER CLINIC.
AND THERE'S NOTHING THERE
EXCEPT MADNESS AND DESPAIR
PINNED DOWN.

...

DESOLATION
ON MEDICATION
NURSE NURSE NURSE
I CAN'T SLEEP
NURSE NURSE NURSE
CAN I HAVE MORE PLEASE
NURSE NURSE NURSE
NOW THEY GOT YOU
ON YOUR FUCKING KNEES
THAT'S WHERE THEY LIKE
YOU TO BE
ECT DID A JOB ON ME.
PINNED DOWN.

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