Skip to content


Advanced search
  • Board index ‹ Outside The Pogues ‹ Shane MacGowan
  • Syndication
  • Change font size
  • FAQ
  • Members
  • Register
  • Login

DATES: September - October, 2010 (with new band included!)

Post a reply

Question Which do you wear on your feet: shoes, gloves, scarf:
This question is a means of preventing automated form submissions by spambots.
Smilies
:D :) :( :o :shock: :? 8) :lol: :x :P :oops: :cry: :evil: :twisted: :roll: :wink: :!: :?: :idea: :arrow: :| :mrgreen:
BBCode is ON
[img] is ON
[flash] is OFF
[url] is ON
Smilies are ON
Topic review
   
  • Options

Expand view Topic review: DATES: September - October, 2010 (with new band included!)

  • Quote philipchevron

Re: DATES: September - October, 2010 (with new band included

Post by philipchevron Fri Oct 15, 2010 9:49 am

lavabe wrote:and by the way, who´s jeward?



Jedward is a place or state of perfect punishment where the wicked shall be deprived of the sight of the face of God for all eternity and longer.

Unless, of course, you're a prepubescent teen whose hormones have not yet attained that level of sophistication considered prerequisite for the meaningful propogation of our species.
[quote="lavabe"]and by the way, who´s jeward?[/quote]


Jedward is a place or state of perfect punishment where the wicked shall be deprived of the sight of the face of God for all eternity and longer.

Unless, of course, you're a prepubescent teen whose hormones have not yet attained that level of sophistication considered prerequisite for the meaningful propogation of our species.
  • Quote FAY

Re: DATES: September - October, 2010 (with new band included

Post by FAY Fri Oct 15, 2010 3:13 am

lavabe wrote:it would be nice if someone from the inner circle around shane would give us a little kind of a statement...


I almost fell out of my chair laughing when I read that! :lol:
[quote="lavabe"]it would be nice if someone from the inner circle around shane would give us a little kind of a statement...[/quote]

I almost fell out of my chair laughing when I read that! :lol:
  • Quote PaulMcC

Re: DATES: September - October, 2010 (with new band included

Post by PaulMcC Thu Oct 14, 2010 7:37 pm

Christpersonn wrote:I made my first trip across the Atlantic to Ireland at the end of September. It happily coincided with Shane playing in Dublin on Arthur's Day, the newish made up Guiness holiday. I had a great chat with Mick Jones before hand. Tony James wasn't as friendly, but still nice.

I had a great time at the show. Shane was drunker than i have seen him before. It was a decent show, but as I have thought before, it's no Pogues show. The band was just ok. I'm to the point that I'd see the Pogues without Shane way before I'd see Shane without them. The Pogues as a band are still flipping great. just MHO.



As previously posted, I was at that gig too. Shane was indeed inebriated. I was at two of the Olympia shows last December, the Céilí Culture show with Ms. Shannon in August, and both his shows with his new band. On 'Arthur's Day', he was in a far worse state than the other shows. I thought he performed okay despite this. It wasn't one of the vintage performances I've seen him give but it wasn't the worst. For my money, he's got himself a talented band. Given the choice of material on the setlist, in particular the 'rockier' numbers off 'The Snake', I don't reckon he's aiming for a Pogues type sound. Then again, I could be wrong.

I've seen The Pogues minus Shane a few times. The most memorable of these were in late 1993. They played The Olympia on the 'Waiting For Herb' tour (I still have an official sweatshirt I bought at one of the shows! Would it fetch anything on E-Bay!!). Anyway, I thought they were brilliant shows. They far exceeded my expectations. I still believe that this Pogues line-up never got the credit they deserved.
[quote="Christpersonn"]I made my first trip across the Atlantic to Ireland at the end of September. It happily coincided with Shane playing in Dublin on Arthur's Day, the newish made up Guiness holiday. I had a great chat with Mick Jones before hand. Tony James wasn't as friendly, but still nice.

I had a great time at the show. Shane was drunker than i have seen him before. It was a decent show, but as I have thought before, it's no Pogues show. The band was just ok. I'm to the point that I'd see the Pogues without Shane way before I'd see Shane without them. The Pogues as a band are still flipping great. just MHO.[/quote]


As previously posted, I was at that gig too. Shane was indeed inebriated. I was at two of the Olympia shows last December, the Céilí Culture show with Ms. Shannon in August, and both his shows with his new band. On 'Arthur's Day', he was in a far worse state than the other shows. I thought he performed okay despite this. It wasn't one of the vintage performances I've seen him give but it wasn't the worst. For my money, he's got himself a talented band. Given the choice of material on the setlist, in particular the 'rockier' numbers off 'The Snake', I don't reckon he's aiming for a Pogues type sound. Then again, I could be wrong.

I've seen The Pogues minus Shane a few times. The most memorable of these were in late 1993. They played The Olympia on the 'Waiting For Herb' tour (I still have an official sweatshirt I bought at one of the shows! Would it fetch anything on E-Bay!!). Anyway, I thought they were brilliant shows. They far exceeded my expectations. I still believe that this Pogues line-up never got the credit they deserved.
  • Quote lavabe

Re: DATES: September - October, 2010 (with new band included

Post by lavabe Thu Oct 14, 2010 7:06 pm

Was Shane on the bill? I don't know that and neither do you. As far as I can see, Shane says yes to just about everything, but whether that amounts to a definite commitment is something for the individual consciences of promoters. My sense is that Shane agreeing to do something like this invariably comes with the tacit "if I can" attached, for better or worse. But I can usually make a private guess how likely his participation will be and am not often wrong. How difficult can it be for other people to do the same? We're talking Shane MacGowan here, not Jedward.



hi phillip, yes shane might be a difficult case in these kind of things. i don´t know what it means if he was on the bill. i just know that the concert was (still is) promoted on this frontpage too with shane in the line up. that´s all i´m able to know or have to know as a fan. and that´s all a fan can be disappointed about if you buy a ticket and the man you want to see didn´t come without any kind of reasons that is officially declared. that´s all. and it´s still disappointing. there might me reasons for his absence, but we all can only speculate.
and by the way, who´s jeward?
[quote][i]Was[/i] Shane on the bill? I don't know that and neither do you. As far as I can see, Shane says yes to just about everything, but whether that amounts to a definite commitment is something for the individual consciences of promoters. My sense is that Shane agreeing to do something like this invariably comes with the tacit "if I can" attached, for better or worse. But I can usually make a private guess how likely his participation will be and am not often wrong. How difficult can it be for other people to do the same? We're talking Shane MacGowan here, not Jedward.[/quote]


hi phillip, yes shane might be a difficult case in these kind of things. i don´t know what it means if he was on the bill. i just know that the concert was (still is) promoted on this frontpage too with shane in the line up. that´s all i´m able to know or have to know as a fan. and that´s all a fan can be disappointed about if you buy a ticket and the man you want to see didn´t come without any kind of reasons that is officially declared. that´s all. and it´s still disappointing. there might me reasons for his absence, but we all can only speculate.
and by the way, who´s jeward?
  • Quote gerrybhoy

Re: DATES: September - October, 2010 (with new band included

Post by gerrybhoy Thu Oct 14, 2010 5:35 pm

i actually agree with your comments PC, i should not judge or comment on things i clearly know nothing about, i take these comments back and apologise if i have offended anyone
i actually agree with your comments PC, i should not judge or comment on things i clearly know nothing about, i take these comments back and apologise if i have offended anyone
  • Quote philipchevron

Re: DATES: September - October, 2010 (with new band included

Post by philipchevron Thu Oct 14, 2010 4:52 pm

lavabe wrote:
philipchevron wrote:
lavabe wrote:
gerrybhoy wrote:it hurts me to say this but i agree with the above posts, as much as i adore shane for his music i recall i was at the first gig he did with the popes in nottingham only days after kirsty was tragically killed and not once he did he mention her name or even dedicate a song to her, another dissapointed fan


puhhh...think we are at a point where it would be nice if someone from the inner circle around shane would give us a little kind of a statement about what happened or what this all means...don´t leave us alone with bad feelings or just agree with us that this is all gone wrong.


And that goes double for you.



sorry philip...wrote my quote at the same time you wrote yours...so i didn´t see it. so thx for this.
to make it clear i totally respect your point of view (think you speak for the other band members too) and this is all ok for me and understandable...you don´t have to be part of such kind of events. but with shane it´s another story...he was on the line-up, wasn´t he? and he didn´t made it. and noone knows why. just some rumours, thats all....was he too drunk and that kind of stuff...no official statement. isn´t that a little bit respectless? that was the problem and still is. and as far as i can see i`m not the only one with that point of view.


Was Shane on the bill? I don't know that and neither do you. As far as I can see, Shane says yes to just about everything, but whether that amounts to a definite commitment is something for the individual consciences of promoters. My sense is that Shane agreeing to do something like this invariably comes with the tacit "if I can" attached, for better or worse. But I can usually make a private guess how likely his participation will be and am not often wrong. How difficult can it be for other people to do the same? We're talking Shane MacGowan here, not Jedward.
[quote="lavabe"][quote="philipchevron"][quote="lavabe"][quote="gerrybhoy"]it hurts me to say this but i agree with the above posts, as much as i adore shane for his music i recall i was at the first gig he did with the popes in nottingham only days after kirsty was tragically killed and not once he did he mention her name or even dedicate a song to her, another dissapointed fan[/quote]

puhhh...think we are at a point where it would be nice if someone from the inner circle around shane would give us a little kind of a statement about what happened or what this all means...don´t leave us alone with bad feelings or just agree with us that this is all gone wrong.[/quote]

And that goes double for you.[/quote]


sorry philip...wrote my quote at the same time you wrote yours...so i didn´t see it. so thx for this.
to make it clear i totally respect your point of view (think you speak for the other band members too) and this is all ok for me and understandable...you don´t have to be part of such kind of events. but with shane it´s another story...he was on the line-up, wasn´t he? and he didn´t made it. and noone knows why. just some rumours, thats all....was he too drunk and that kind of stuff...no official statement. isn´t that a little bit respectless? that was the problem and still is. and as far as i can see i`m not the only one with that point of view.[/quote]

[i]Was[/i] Shane on the bill? I don't know that and neither do you. As far as I can see, Shane says yes to just about everything, but whether that amounts to a definite commitment is something for the individual consciences of promoters. My sense is that Shane agreeing to do something like this invariably comes with the tacit "if I can" attached, for better or worse. But I can usually make a private guess how likely his participation will be and am not often wrong. How difficult can it be for other people to do the same? We're talking Shane MacGowan here, not Jedward.
  • Quote lavabe

Re: DATES: September - October, 2010 (with new band included

Post by lavabe Thu Oct 14, 2010 4:43 pm

philipchevron wrote:
lavabe wrote:
gerrybhoy wrote:it hurts me to say this but i agree with the above posts, as much as i adore shane for his music i recall i was at the first gig he did with the popes in nottingham only days after kirsty was tragically killed and not once he did he mention her name or even dedicate a song to her, another dissapointed fan


puhhh...think we are at a point where it would be nice if someone from the inner circle around shane would give us a little kind of a statement about what happened or what this all means...don´t leave us alone with bad feelings or just agree with us that this is all gone wrong.


And that goes double for you.



sorry philip...wrote my quote at the same time you wrote yours...so i didn´t see it. so thx for this.
to make it clear i totally respect your point of view (think you speak for the other band members too) and this is all ok for me and understandable...you don´t have to be part of such kind of events. but with shane it´s another story...he was on the line-up, wasn´t he? and he didn´t made it. and noone knows why. just some rumours, thats all....was he too drunk and that kind of stuff...no official statement. isn´t that a little bit respectless? that was the problem and still is. and as far as i can see i`m not the only one with that point of view.
[quote="philipchevron"][quote="lavabe"][quote="gerrybhoy"]it hurts me to say this but i agree with the above posts, as much as i adore shane for his music i recall i was at the first gig he did with the popes in nottingham only days after kirsty was tragically killed and not once he did he mention her name or even dedicate a song to her, another dissapointed fan[/quote]

puhhh...think we are at a point where it would be nice if someone from the inner circle around shane would give us a little kind of a statement about what happened or what this all means...don´t leave us alone with bad feelings or just agree with us that this is all gone wrong.[/quote]

And that goes double for you.[/quote]


sorry philip...wrote my quote at the same time you wrote yours...so i didn´t see it. so thx for this.
to make it clear i totally respect your point of view (think you speak for the other band members too) and this is all ok for me and understandable...you don´t have to be part of such kind of events. but with shane it´s another story...he was on the line-up, wasn´t he? and he didn´t made it. and noone knows why. just some rumours, thats all....was he too drunk and that kind of stuff...no official statement. isn´t that a little bit respectless? that was the problem and still is. and as far as i can see i`m not the only one with that point of view.
  • Quote Christpersonn

Re: DATES: September - October, 2010 (with new band included

Post by Christpersonn Thu Oct 14, 2010 4:13 pm

I made my first trip across the Atlantic to Ireland at the end of September. It happily coincided with Shane playing in Dublin on Arthur's Day, the newish made up Guiness holiday. I had a great chat with Mick Jones before hand. Tony James wasn't as friendly, but still nice.

I had a great time at the show. Shane was drunker than i have seen him before. It was a decent show, but as I have thought before, it's no Pogues show. The band was just ok. I'm to the point that I'd see the Pogues without Shane way before I'd see Shane without them. The Pogues as a band are still flipping great. just MHO.
I made my first trip across the Atlantic to Ireland at the end of September. It happily coincided with Shane playing in Dublin on Arthur's Day, the newish made up Guiness holiday. I had a great chat with Mick Jones before hand. Tony James wasn't as friendly, but still nice.

I had a great time at the show. Shane was drunker than i have seen him before. It was a decent show, but as I have thought before, it's no Pogues show. The band was just ok. I'm to the point that I'd see the Pogues without Shane way before I'd see Shane without them. The Pogues as a band are still flipping great. just MHO.
  • Quote philipchevron

Re: DATES: September - October, 2010 (with new band included

Post by philipchevron Thu Oct 14, 2010 3:50 pm

lavabe wrote:
gerrybhoy wrote:it hurts me to say this but i agree with the above posts, as much as i adore shane for his music i recall i was at the first gig he did with the popes in nottingham only days after kirsty was tragically killed and not once he did he mention her name or even dedicate a song to her, another dissapointed fan


puhhh...think we are at a point where it would be nice if someone from the inner circle around shane would give us a little kind of a statement about what happened or what this all means...don´t leave us alone with bad feelings or just agree with us that this is all gone wrong.


And that goes double for you.
[quote="lavabe"][quote="gerrybhoy"]it hurts me to say this but i agree with the above posts, as much as i adore shane for his music i recall i was at the first gig he did with the popes in nottingham only days after kirsty was tragically killed and not once he did he mention her name or even dedicate a song to her, another dissapointed fan[/quote]

puhhh...think we are at a point where it would be nice if someone from the inner circle around shane would give us a little kind of a statement about what happened or what this all means...don´t leave us alone with bad feelings or just agree with us that this is all gone wrong.[/quote]

And that goes double for you.
  • Quote lavabe

Re: DATES: September - October, 2010 (with new band included

Post by lavabe Thu Oct 14, 2010 3:46 pm

gerrybhoy wrote:it hurts me to say this but i agree with the above posts, as much as i adore shane for his music i recall i was at the first gig he did with the popes in nottingham only days after kirsty was tragically killed and not once he did he mention her name or even dedicate a song to her, another dissapointed fan


puhhh...think we are at a point where it would be nice if someone from the inner circle around shane would give us a little kind of a statement about what happened or what this all means...don´t leave us alone with bad feelings or just agree with us that this is all gone wrong.
[quote="gerrybhoy"]it hurts me to say this but i agree with the above posts, as much as i adore shane for his music i recall i was at the first gig he did with the popes in nottingham only days after kirsty was tragically killed and not once he did he mention her name or even dedicate a song to her, another dissapointed fan[/quote]

puhhh...think we are at a point where it would be nice if someone from the inner circle around shane would give us a little kind of a statement about what happened or what this all means...don´t leave us alone with bad feelings or just agree with us that this is all gone wrong.
  • Quote philipchevron

Re: DATES: September - October, 2010 (with new band included

Post by philipchevron Thu Oct 14, 2010 3:41 pm

gerrybhoy wrote:it hurts me to say this but i agree with the above posts, as much as i adore shane for his music i recall i was at the first gig he did with the popes in nottingham only days after kirsty was tragically killed and not once he did he mention her name or even dedicate a song to her, another dissapointed fan


Look, when you, and the rest of the piranhas, realise that Kirsty MacColl was our beloved friend first and only then our esteemed musical colleague, perhaps you will consider permitting myself, Shane and the rest of the Pogues to honour and remember her in a way that she, and we, would have understood. Any old pillock can get up on a stage and satisfy some morbid need for public affirmation of his grief. It makes me gag just to think about how Kirsty would have viewed this misjudged attempt to regulate her memory.

Personally, I applaud those friends and colleagues who both commemorated her 51st birthday and raised useful funds for her charities, but if everyone who loved, admired or merely respected Kirsty and/or her work, were to appear at every memorial, the gig would still be going on a week later. The Pogues do not own the memory of Kirsty MacColl. Kirsty herself gave up her career for several years to devote her time to her lovely sons Jamie and Louis because she insisted that private lives come first.

As Paul McCartney said when informed of Lennon's death, "it's a drag, isn't it?"
[quote="gerrybhoy"]it hurts me to say this but i agree with the above posts, as much as i adore shane for his music i recall i was at the first gig he did with the popes in nottingham only days after kirsty was tragically killed and not once he did he mention her name or even dedicate a song to her, another dissapointed fan[/quote]

Look, when you, and the rest of the piranhas, realise that Kirsty MacColl was our beloved friend first and only then our esteemed musical colleague, perhaps you will consider permitting myself, Shane and the rest of the Pogues to honour and remember her in a way that she, and we, would have understood. Any old pillock can get up on a stage and satisfy some morbid need for public affirmation of his grief. It makes me gag just to think about how Kirsty would have viewed this misjudged attempt to regulate her memory.

Personally, I applaud those friends and colleagues who both commemorated her 51st birthday and raised useful funds for her charities, but if everyone who loved, admired or merely respected Kirsty and/or her work, were to appear at every memorial, the gig would still be going on a week later. The Pogues do not [i]own[/i] the memory of Kirsty MacColl. Kirsty herself gave up her career for several years to devote her time to her lovely sons Jamie and Louis because she insisted that private lives come first.

As Paul McCartney said when informed of Lennon's death, "it's a drag, isn't it?"
  • Quote gerrybhoy

Re: DATES: September - October, 2010 (with new band included

Post by gerrybhoy Thu Oct 14, 2010 2:41 pm

it hurts me to say this but i agree with the above posts, as much as i adore shane for his music i recall i was at the first gig he did with the popes in nottingham only days after kirsty was tragically killed and not once he did he mention her name or even dedicate a song to her, another dissapointed fan
it hurts me to say this but i agree with the above posts, as much as i adore shane for his music i recall i was at the first gig he did with the popes in nottingham only days after kirsty was tragically killed and not once he did he mention her name or even dedicate a song to her, another dissapointed fan
  • Quote MissWalshy

Re: DATES: September - October, 2010 (with new band included

Post by MissWalshy Mon Oct 11, 2010 11:00 am

lavabe wrote:
Smerker wrote:
MacRua wrote:Sun, 10 Oct, 2010 - A tribute gig to late Kirsty McColl (various artists)
Address: O2 Shepherds Bush Empire, London, UK
Web: http://aconcertforkirsty.com
Tickets: SOLD OUT


Source (the indispensable...) says Shane's disappointingly pulled a George Jones on this one.

I reckon Billy'll take his place with Amy MacDonald.



This is really disappointing! has anyone more informations about this? it´s sad not just because in my opinion amy macdonald made a really good job but also because i always thought kirsty maccoll meant something to him and the pogues. it was disappointing enough that the other pogues members had something more important to do that night. don´t wanna sound unfair but it´s a strange story...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bk_zDwx9Lr8


I was speaking to the host for the evening Phil Jupitus at the bar before hand and he said that Shanes agent called a mere 30 mins before to say that he was still in Dublin and had missed his flight.

I agree with you, Amy MacDonald was absolutely fantastic and Dave the drummer did a great job. I too thought that Shane had more respect for Kirsty. Disappointed fan here, too.
[quote="lavabe"][quote="Smerker"][quote="MacRua"]
[b]Sun, 10 Oct, 2010 - A tribute gig to late Kirsty McColl [/b](various artists)
[indent]Address: O2 Shepherds Bush Empire, London, UK
Web: http://aconcertforkirsty.com
Tickets: SOLD OUT[/indent][/quote]

Source (the indispensable...) says Shane's disappointingly pulled a George Jones on this one.

I reckon Billy'll take his place with Amy MacDonald.[/quote]


This is really disappointing! has anyone more informations about this? it´s sad not just because in my opinion amy macdonald made a really good job but also because i always thought kirsty maccoll meant something to him and the pogues. it was disappointing enough that the other pogues members had something more important to do that night. don´t wanna sound unfair but it´s a strange story...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bk_zDwx9Lr8[/quote]

I was speaking to the host for the evening Phil Jupitus at the bar before hand and he said that Shanes agent called a mere 30 mins before to say that he was still in Dublin and had missed his flight.

I agree with you, Amy MacDonald was absolutely fantastic and Dave the drummer did a great job. I too thought that Shane had more respect for Kirsty. Disappointed fan here, too.
  • Quote lavabe

Re: DATES: September - October, 2010 (with new band included

Post by lavabe Mon Oct 11, 2010 10:48 am

Smerker wrote:
MacRua wrote:Sun, 10 Oct, 2010 - A tribute gig to late Kirsty McColl (various artists)
Address: O2 Shepherds Bush Empire, London, UK
Web: http://aconcertforkirsty.com
Tickets: SOLD OUT


Source (the indispensable...) says Shane's disappointingly pulled a George Jones on this one.

I reckon Billy'll take his place with Amy MacDonald.



This is really disappointing! has anyone more informations about this? it´s sad not just because in my opinion amy macdonald made a really good job but also because i always thought kirsty maccoll meant something to him and the pogues. it was disappointing enough that the other pogues members had something more important to do that night. don´t wanna sound unfair but it´s a strange story...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bk_zDwx9Lr8
[quote="Smerker"][quote="MacRua"]
[b]Sun, 10 Oct, 2010 - A tribute gig to late Kirsty McColl [/b](various artists)
[indent]Address: O2 Shepherds Bush Empire, London, UK
Web: http://aconcertforkirsty.com
Tickets: SOLD OUT[/indent][/quote]

Source (the indispensable...) says Shane's disappointingly pulled a George Jones on this one.

I reckon Billy'll take his place with Amy MacDonald.[/quote]


This is really disappointing! has anyone more informations about this? it´s sad not just because in my opinion amy macdonald made a really good job but also because i always thought kirsty maccoll meant something to him and the pogues. it was disappointing enough that the other pogues members had something more important to do that night. don´t wanna sound unfair but it´s a strange story...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bk_zDwx9Lr8
  • Quote James

Re: DATES: September - October, 2010 (with new band included

Post by James Sun Oct 10, 2010 7:04 pm

MacRua wrote:Sun, 10 Oct, 2010 - A tribute gig to late Kirsty McColl (various artists)
Address: O2 Shepherds Bush Empire, London, UK
Web: http://aconcertforkirsty.com
Tickets: SOLD OUT


Source (the indispensable...) says Shane's disappointingly pulled a George Jones on this one.

I reckon Billy'll take his place with Amy MacDonald.
[quote="MacRua"]
[b]Sun, 10 Oct, 2010 - A tribute gig to late Kirsty McColl [/b](various artists)
[indent]Address: O2 Shepherds Bush Empire, London, UK
Web: http://aconcertforkirsty.com
Tickets: SOLD OUT[/indent][/quote]

Source (the indispensable...) says Shane's disappointingly pulled a George Jones on this one.

I reckon Billy'll take his place with Amy MacDonald.

Top

  • Board index
  • The team • Delete all board cookies • All times are UTC


Powered by phpBB
Content © copyright the original authors unless otherwise indicated