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Post by maureen Sun Feb 26, 2006 12:43 am

Heather wrote:Crock of Gold is a brilliant album. 8)

Quite right! Together with The Rare Oul' Stuff and The Snake and well, anything, really!!

Post by St.Peter Sat Feb 25, 2006 8:54 pm

Its useless arguing one way or another on this-both bands contain talented musicians in their own right welded to the brilliant songwriting and charisma of Shane.Post Shane Pogues don't work for me but its obvious there are many on this board who love those two albums and good luck to ya!

Post by IrishRover Fri Feb 24, 2006 10:00 pm

Heather wrote:Crock of Gold is a brilliant album. 8)


Exactly 8)

Post by Heather Fri Feb 24, 2006 6:16 pm

Crock of Gold is a brilliant album. 8)

Post by rumsodomyandthelash Fri Feb 24, 2006 5:48 pm

Yer well said Irish Rover
I was listening to crock of gold today and have to sat there are several classics on it, i love the b+i ferry mighty mighty jar track, cant see how if you love the Pogues you can slag Shanes solo work meself

Post by Irish Rover Fri Feb 24, 2006 2:15 pm

IrishRover wrote:BUT,Shane is part of both stories...with Pogues or with Popes...hes done master pieces! 8)


I couldn't have put it better myself.

Post by IrishRover Fri Feb 24, 2006 2:10 pm

Oi think the question is not exactly roight...tis not good to compare Pogues and Popes...Pogues are by far better BUT comparing The Pogues vs. Shane and The Popes from me point of view...Shane with Popes has done amazing work and Snake and Crock of gold especially are match or even better than many stuff that Pogues did(when Shane was in Pogues).
BUT,Shane is part of both stories...with Pogues or with Popes...hes done master pieces! 8)

Post by Heather Fri Feb 24, 2006 10:57 am

pogues22 wrote:The Pogues were one of the most seminal bands of all time, so of course The Popes are going to always be in their shadow.


That's true.

Post by paddys pistol Thu Feb 23, 2006 8:04 pm

Paddy Rolling Clone wrote:.
A bit off topic I know, but Paddy Public Enemy was shot in a phonebox down the road from my house. I used it just last night, in fact. :shock:


thats an interesting piece of history, the british guy that burnt down the white house in the war of 1812 is burried five minutes from my house

Post by Irish Rover Thu Feb 23, 2006 7:08 pm

Paddy Rolling Clone wrote:I'm surprised nobody has mentioned The Song With No Name which I think was one of Shane's finest moments.

Yeah i also really like that song 8)

Post by Paddy Rolling Clone Thu Feb 23, 2006 7:04 pm

Phil wrote:
DzM wrote:
pogues22 wrote:Yeah, but then you write a song like Pachinko (sarcasm)
Oh please.

Pachinko is amusing, and isn't meant (I would assume) to be anything more than that. If you're going to damn both their albums for this song then you might as well damn both of Shane's solo efforts for Truck Drivin' Man.


i like Truck Drivin Man - particularly these brilliant lines:

Shoot that shit boy
Shoot that speed
Whip that bitch boy until she bleeds
Give me moonshine, some more morphine
Another fix of methadrine

Truck Drivin man is what I am
Just give me pussy, junk and gin
I'll pray to God to forgive my sins
Truck drivin man in the howlin wind



I agree, it's a wonderful lyric. I'm surprised nobody has mentioned The Song With No Name which I think was one of Shane's finest moments.


A bit off topic I know, but Paddy Public Enemy was shot in a phonebox down the road from my house. I used it just last night, in fact. :shock:


He used to work in the local sweet shop when I was a nipper too.

Post by DzM Thu Feb 23, 2006 6:54 pm

pogues22 wrote:The post-Shane material isn't anywhere near as good as MacGowan's solo efforts. [...] The Pogues without MacGowan continued the fusion shite, that signaled the end of the band. Donegal Express, The Snake With Eyes of Garnet, and Paddy Public Enemy Number One, to name a few are far better than any of the songs on Waiting For Herb and Pogue Mahone.
Why do people get stuck in this rut of presenting their own subjective and dogmatic opinions as fact?

This is not something that's incontrovertable. This is not "2+2=4," this is "I like purple more than green" being presented as "Purple is better than green!" and then arguing with anyone that holds a contrary opinion as though they were saying "2+2=5." This type of debate shows a stubborn inability to find value in other people's opinions.

Maybe I'm just being too pragmatic here. I'd find your position much more palatable if you'd just phrase it as "I think the post-Shane era..." rather than "The post-Shane era...".

Post by wolvespogue Thu Feb 23, 2006 6:24 pm

I have said this before on the forum and will say it again.
I feel that the Popes have always been given a hard time on this forum and there is no argument that The Pogues are better than The Popes but given the chance of watching Shane with The Popes or not watching Shane at all what do you want ?.
After seeing Shane and The Popes at Stourbridge and Wolverhampton over the last two years I can only hope that we can see the return of Shane and The Popes at the smaller venues during the year whilst waiting for the now traditional Pogues Christmas shows.

Post by pogues22 Thu Feb 23, 2006 6:17 pm

I'm glad the Irish Rover shares my sentiments. The post-Shane material isn't anywhere near as good as MacGowan's solo efforts. Again MacGowan took it back to the roots of traditional Irish music, something the Pogues were doing on the first three albums, The Pogues without MacGowan continued the fusion shite, that signaled the end of the band. Donegal Express, The Snake With Eyes of Garnet, and Paddy Public Enemy Number One, to name a few are far better than any of the songs on Waiting For Herb and Pogue Mahone

One last thing, stop comparing the Pogues to Popes, that was two different periods of music.

Post by Eckhard Thu Feb 23, 2006 4:00 pm

IrishRover wrote:
Me point as well...Shane's solo stuff suits me much much better(oi do loike Pogues very very much but Shane on his own(with Popes) did amazing work)...Rock n roll Paddy,Paddy rolling stone,Mother Mo Chroi,Come to the Bower,Back in the County Hell,Victoria and others...they can easily match the greatest songs that Shane did with Pogues...If oi should fall from grace,Fairytale of New York,Streams of whiskey,Rainy noight in Soho etc.




I simply do not get it. While I really, really like his solo stuff, I can hardly agree that any song of that period could match classics like IISFFGWG, Rainy Night in Soho or FoNY. IMHO there are only a couple of songs that might fit in the league of the better Pogues songs and one of it is a rip off of a not published Pogues' song and then there is "Snake with eyes of garnet" and "Paddy Public Enemy No. 1". I would not even mention "Donegal Express", since it has already been played with the Pogues.

BTW: Yesterday I first listened to "Live in Brixton" and afterwards to "Across the Broad Atlantic". Well... you cannot really compare it, I'm afraid the Popes just don't play in the Pogues' league.

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