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dsweeney, if you can't disagree without resorting to personal attacks then just don't post. Thanks. -- DzM

dsweeney wrote:Was I ? I honestly can't remember. But yeah, I was merely pointing out that if people have nothing to contribute then they don't have to, you know ? There's no need to come on saying how this is shit and that is crap and this that and the other. If you don't want to watch, then switch channels. Easy as that.

Yeah, as usual, you're right again. Time to switch channels. Yawn......

Was I ? I honestly can't remember. But yeah, I was merely pointing out that if people have nothing to contribute then they don't have to, you know ? There's no need to come on saying how this is shit and that is crap and this that and the other. If you don't want to watch, then switch channels. Easy as that.
Another thing about covers. I think somebody said that it matters whether the song was a hit, or was well known at least. That has nought to do with it. It didn't matter a damn whether the public at large knew the original " Police and thieves " or not. The fact is, it wasn't written by Joe and Mick, or The Clash themselves. Therefore, it was a cover version. Also, as somebody else seemed to imply, it doesn't matter that their version was significantly different from the original ( kinda saying that it was so different that it was almost an entirely new track ). That surely is the whole point of doing a cover, that you put your own spin on it, so to speak, that it isn't just a slavish, carbon copy of the original. Sid's My Way is a perfect example. He put his own distinct mark on the thing, but it is most certainly still the same song, still " My Way" by Anka and whoever, can't remember off hand.

dsweeney wrote:Well, if you play with fire.... I said I'm not taking the blame this time so if you dont' want to parlay then please feel free to fuck right off, just jog on, nothing to see here!

Weren't you the one preaching that nobody had a sense of humour on this forum?

firehazard wrote:

dsweeney wrote:...One thing I would say on something mentioned by somebody further up, about " cover " versions. To me, a " cover " is when somebody or some group does a song that was written by somebody else. WHEN the song was written has nothing whatsoever to do with it, it's still a cover version of somebody else's song...

I have to say that basically I'd agree with that. I've seen much tighter definitions, but it seems to me that a cover is a cover.

"I know it when I see it." -Ed Meese

dsweeney wrote:...One thing I would say on something mentioned by somebody further up, about " cover " versions. To me, a " cover " is when somebody or some group does a song that was written by somebody else. WHEN the song was written has nothing whatsoever to do with it, it's still a cover version of somebody else's song...

I have to say that basically I'd agree with that. I've seen much tighter definitions, but it seems to me that a cover is a cover.

Well, if you play with fire.... I said I'm not taking the blame this time so if you dont' want to parlay then please feel free to fuck right off, just jog on, nothing to see here!
One thing I would say on something mentioned by somebody further up, about " cover " versions. To me, a " cover " is when somebody or some group does a song that was written by somebody else. WHEN the song was written has nothing whatsoever to do with it, it's still a cover version of somebody else's song. So for instance SLF's 1980 version of " Doesn't make it alright " by the Specials ( in 1979 ), is as much a cover version as Sid's version of " My way".

dsweeney wrote:Ok, I'm bored, so I'll bite, but I will NOT take the blame for it this time around.

AAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHH.......... NNNNNOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! I WAS JOKING, NOT AGAIN!!!!!

I'm guessing you might have answered your own question? Traditional songs fall into public domain but not all public domain are traditional.

Ok, I'm bored, so I'll bite, but I will NOT take the blame for it this time around.
Firstly, as those intelligent, literate people on here will tell you, the English language has many a twist and turn it it and the truth is, the word " traditional " is infinitely more nuanced and has more usages than Phil Chevron thinks it has. In the strict " copyright " sense, it means a song that has no known author and can therefore be " covered " by anybody who feels like it, without law- suits etc. But the word traditional can also mean simply " familiar", "uniform", " old style" etc. Country music at it's best is when it is in the " traditional " style, that's it's very strenth. Not when some cunt like Garth Brooks gets a hold of it and tries to, God forbid and protect us, " modernise it and bring it to a new audience ". Fuck!!
Secondly, somewhere back in time on here Phil posed what turned out to be a rhetorical question, but one I would like an answer to. What is the difference between " traditional " and " public domain", because I'm arsed if I can see it. In musical terms anyway, they both mean a song can be played by anyone because either the original authors are unknown or it being over 75 years old ( I think ) the copyright has expired. I'd be genuinely curious to know the difference, if indeed there is one.

philipchevron wrote:

dsweeney wrote:The original idea of the Pogues was to take Irish folk and traditional music and combine it with a punk or rock beat.

The original idea of the Pogues was nothing of the sort, it was greatly more nuanced and eclectic than that. Your view is the common one that has been restrospectively applied to the band for reasons of convenience and shorthand. "Don't It Make My Brown Eyes Blue", "All Tomorrow's Parties" and "Me and Bobby McGee" are just three songs from the early days of the band which flatten your theory before the band even sets foot in a recording studio. Our experiments were not always successful, and Peace and Love demonstrated there were limits, after all, to how far we could go, but it also showed we refused to play safe and offer an inevitably more pallid Fall From Grace: 2 which many lesser bands would have done.

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OK, lets start again. I enjoyed it anway.....

What's your definition of traditional?

So the Pogues....... Punk Band with Folk Attitude?????????????

NJR wrote:

lavabe wrote:boring direction of the discussion...

Agreed, please change the direction to your liking.

Yep, this bit has been done to death. Please post something interesting/controversial/funny.

lavabe wrote:boring direction of the discussion...

Agreed, please change the direction to your liking.

boring direction of the discussion...