Peace and Love without Blue Heaven and Lorelei

by **dsweeney** Mon Oct 18, 2010 8:30 am

In the morning- Lorelei is a great song. Great melody and great lyrics. If you read closer you would see that I said there are other good tracks besides the 3 I mentioned. But it is indie guitar pop and not what the Pogues were about. Medusa is entitled to her opinion, good for her. But Hells ditch one of the best Pogues albums ? Well, I'm sorry, but it isn't. While everyone is entitled to their opinion there is such a thing as concensus.And the consensus is that the first 3 albums are what sealed the Pogues legend. The others have their moments but that's all.
Stick " The star of the county Down " and " Every man is a king " on P&L instead of these two and you have a fairly strong, cohesive album. Although like I said, Lorelei is a lovely song. Maybe take off " Tombstone " instead.

by **Zuzana** Fri Oct 15, 2010 5:05 pm

in_the_morning wrote:Just look at medusa-member Pyro for instance, what an extraordinary taste she (I assume that she is female)...

Not unless you performed some drastic surgery, I am afraid.

by **in_the_morning** Fri Oct 15, 2010 4:49 pm

dsweeney wrote:
DzM wrote:
Fr. McGreer wrote:
dsweeney wrote:" White city ", " Misty morning..." and " Young Ned.." are the three best tracks on it, that doesn't mean they are up there with the absolute very best of the Pogues at their and Shane's peak.They simply aren't.

Is that a fact?

End of. (ref: http://www.pogues.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 80#p177680 )

Well, no, in as much as music is about " taste " and " personal preference " and therefore it can't be " a fact ". But it is a fact in the sense that the world and it's fuckin' mother knows they are the best tracks on it. The fact that two of them were chosen as singles suggests the fuckin' band thought so as well. I'm not saying they're the ONLY good tracks on it, simply that they are certainly the BEST tracks on it. END OF!!

No offence but once again it's complete gibberish. Just look at medusa-member Pyro for instance, what an extraordinary taste she (I assume that she is female) has concerning favorite Pogues songs and stuff like that...well, you don't have to like it of course, but you should accept it because it's her opinion.
Did the Pogues choose "If I Should..." as a single because they thought it was the best track on their LP after FONY? Well, in Clerk's book they have various and quite different opinions on it...who's is the right one now? Jem Finer's? Phil Chevron's? Andrew Ranken's? Nearly everything in this world is a matter of subjectivity...I'm quite sure you know that and I don't want to "teach" you anything, don't think I've got the right or the qualifications to do so, but please stop posting stuff like:

But it is a fact in the sense that the world and it's fuckin' mother knows they are the best tracks on it.

It's a bit annoying to be honest. Lorelei is (in my opinion) a wonderful song.

by **dsweeney** Fri Oct 15, 2010 3:48 pm

DzM wrote:
Fr. McGreer wrote:
dsweeney wrote:" White city ", " Misty morning..." and " Young Ned.." are the three best tracks on it, that doesn't mean they are up there with the absolute very best of the Pogues at their and Shane's peak.They simply aren't.

Is that a fact?

End of. (ref: viewtopic.php?p=177680#p177680 )

Well, no, in as much as music is about " taste " and " personal preference " and therefore it can't be " a fact ". But it is a fact in the sense that the world and it's fuckin' mother knows they are the best tracks on it. The fact that two of them were chosen as singles suggests the fuckin' band thought so as well. I'm not saying they're the ONLY good tracks on it, simply that they are certainly the BEST tracks on it. END OF!!

by **soulfinger** Fri Oct 08, 2010 6:18 pm

The Duke of Ingmar wrote:
I think all members of Queen were quite prolific in songwriting. But of course they were only four, too ...

.....and they were all shite.

by **DzM** Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:52 pm

Fr. McGreer wrote:
dsweeney wrote:" White city ", " Misty morning..." and " Young Ned.." are the three best tracks on it, that doesn't mean they are up there with the absolute very best of the Pogues at their and Shane's peak.They simply aren't.

Is that a fact?

End of. (ref: viewtopic.php?p=177680#p177680 )

by **Fr. McGreer** Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:38 pm

dsweeney wrote:" White city ", " Misty morning..." and " Young Ned.." are the three best tracks on it, that doesn't mean they are up there with the absolute very best of the Pogues at their and Shane's peak.They simply aren't.

Is that a fact? :roll:

by **dsweeney** Thu Oct 07, 2010 11:49 am

I think there is a tendency when it comes to P&L to over-estimate the better tracks on it. It's all relative and the context has to be taken into account. Because " White city ", " Misty morning..." and " Young Ned.." are the three best tracks on it, that doesn't mean they are up there with the absolute very best of the Pogues at their and Shane's peak.They simply aren't. I love these tracks, have a soft spot for " Down all the days " and like " Gartloney rats " and " USA " but the standard of the first three albums / EP/ B-sides is simply untouchable.

by **JohnG** Sun Nov 11, 2007 8:31 pm

Mike from Boston wrote:In my opinion, the amazing thing about this album is that the three best
songs-Lorelei, Young Ned, and Misty Morning weren't written by the
Shane-the band's acknowledged songwriter.

Is there any group in Rock History who claim that five different members
(including Spider's Tuesday Morning) wrote major songs in a band's catalog?
Best I can think of offhand is the Beatles with all four contributing major
songs.

Two of my favourite tracks are Night Train to Lorca and London You're A Lady, written by Jem and Shane, respectively. In my opinion, these are a couple of the most underrated of all Pogues songs, but it's all a matter of personal taste, I suppose.

by **Mike from Boston** Fri Nov 09, 2007 9:54 pm

Low D wrote:
Mike from Boston wrote:Is there any group in Rock History who claim that five different members
(including Spider's Tuesday Morning) wrote major songs in a band's catalog?
Best I can think of offhand is the Beatles with all four contributing major
songs.

Again, it's a 4-person group, but The Clash fit that bill. Topper Headon wrote their biggest hit, Rock the Casbah, and Paul Simmonon wrote Guns of Brixton, and i think they each wrote one or two others as well.

Interesting comments-I realized now that Queen's members had all
written hit songs. After 25+ years, never realized that Topper wrote
Rock the Casbah :oops:

(I knew Paul had wrote Guns of Brixton).

by **Jon** Fri Nov 09, 2007 8:01 am

Mike from Boston wrote:Is there any group in Rock History who claim that five different members
(including Spider's Tuesday Morning) wrote major songs in a band's catalog?
Best I can think of offhand is the Beatles with all four contributing major
songs.

Madness had 7, most (if not all) of them wrote most of their tunes.

by **Low D** Fri Nov 09, 2007 5:53 am

Mike from Boston wrote:Is there any group in Rock History who claim that five different members
(including Spider's Tuesday Morning) wrote major songs in a band's catalog?
Best I can think of offhand is the Beatles with all four contributing major
songs.

Again, it's a 4-person group, but The Clash fit that bill. Topper Headon wrote their biggest hit, Rock the Casbah, and Paul Simmonon wrote Guns of Brixton, and i think they each wrote one or two others as well.

by **The Duke of Ingmar** Fri Nov 09, 2007 5:17 am

Mike from Boston wrote:In my opinion, the amazing thing about this album is that the three best
songs-Lorelei, Young Ned, and Misty Morning weren't written by the
Shane-the band's acknowledged songwriter.

Is there any group in Rock History who claim that five different members
(including Spider's Tuesday Morning) wrote major songs in a band's catalog?
Best I can think of offhand is the Beatles with all four contributing major
songs.

I think all members of Queen were quite prolific in songwriting. But of course they were only four, too ...

by **Mike from Boston** Thu Nov 08, 2007 10:42 pm

In my opinion, the amazing thing about this album is that the three best
songs-Lorelei, Young Ned, and Misty Morning weren't written by the
Shane-the band's acknowledged songwriter.

Is there any group in Rock History who claim that five different members
(including Spider's Tuesday Morning) wrote major songs in a band's catalog?
Best I can think of offhand is the Beatles with all four contributing major
songs.

by **The Duke of Ingmar** Thu Nov 08, 2007 6:03 pm

philipchevron wrote:
Politics, dear boy, politics. These days we leave that to the morons who would destroy the world.

Is this why you won´t release a new album ? Because those morons would be in charge when it comes to select the songs ? :oops:

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