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Re: Waiting For Herb or Pogue Mahone

Post by NewJerseyRich Thu Dec 31, 2009 7:06 pm

idlebagger wrote:
pogues22 wrote:While none of these albums are anywhere near the sheer brilliance of The Pogues first three albums or even the fourth and fifth,


Personally, I reckon both albums are actually better than Hell's Ditch, but maybe that's just me...

Of the two, I prefer Waiting for Herb, as I feel it has the more memorable numbers on it. The material on Pogue Mahone doesn't really stand out that well.


I realise this is all personal preference but ..... oh no way! if I had to rank the 3 it would be

Hells Ditch
Waiting for Herb
Pogue Mahone

Re: Waiting For Herb or Pogue Mahone

Post by idlebagger Wed Dec 30, 2009 2:14 pm

pogues22 wrote:While none of these albums are anywhere near the sheer brilliance of The Pogues first three albums or even the fourth and fifth,


Personally, I reckon both albums are actually better than Hell's Ditch, but maybe that's just me...

Of the two, I prefer Waiting for Herb, as I feel it has the more memorable numbers on it. The material on Pogue Mahone doesn't really stand out that well.

Re: Waiting For Herb or Pogue Mahone

Post by philipchevron Thu Nov 26, 2009 5:11 pm

RICHB wrote:
philipchevron wrote:
pogues24 wrote:Waiting For Herb is one of the Pogues most underrated works. There are truly some great songs on the album (Tuesday Morning, Haunting, Drunken Boat) to name a few. Sure they were missing Shane MacGowan, but I thought Jem Finer filled the mold quite well. My only complaint was that three songs the Pogues recorded during this time were omitted off the album (Paris St. Germaine; a B-side, and North Sea Holes and Hot Asphalt; two Ewan MacColl covers.)


North Sea Holes and Hot Asphalt were not recorded during the Waiting For Herb sessions, though Paris St Germaine was.


Did I read in the box set notes that North Sea Holes and Hot Asphalt were for a proposed album that never happened? What was the idea behind that? Apols if it has been discussed before


Given that we were already doing "A Freeborn Man of the Travelling People" it looks like we were doing a Ewan MacColl album, doesn't it? I doubt that was the case, however, and I'm afraid the answer, if indeed there is one, is blowin' in the wind.

Re: Waiting For Herb or Pogue Mahone

Post by RICHB Thu Nov 26, 2009 3:15 pm

philipchevron wrote:
pogues24 wrote:Waiting For Herb is one of the Pogues most underrated works. There are truly some great songs on the album (Tuesday Morning, Haunting, Drunken Boat) to name a few. Sure they were missing Shane MacGowan, but I thought Jem Finer filled the mold quite well. My only complaint was that three songs the Pogues recorded during this time were omitted off the album (Paris St. Germaine; a B-side, and North Sea Holes and Hot Asphalt; two Ewan MacColl covers.)


North Sea Holes and Hot Asphalt were not recorded during the Waiting For Herb sessions, though Paris St Germaine was.


Did I read in the box set notes that North Sea Holes and Hot Asphalt were for a proposed album that never happened? What was the idea behind that? Apols if it has been discussed before

Re: Waiting For Herb or Pogue Mahone

Post by philipchevron Wed Oct 28, 2009 5:52 pm

pogues24 wrote:Waiting For Herb is one of the Pogues most underrated works. There are truly some great songs on the album (Tuesday Morning, Haunting, Drunken Boat) to name a few. Sure they were missing Shane MacGowan, but I thought Jem Finer filled the mold quite well. My only complaint was that three songs the Pogues recorded during this time were omitted off the album (Paris St. Germaine; a B-side, and North Sea Holes and Hot Asphalt; two Ewan MacColl covers.)


North Sea Holes and Hot Asphalt were not recorded during the Waiting For Herb sessions, though Paris St Germaine was.

Re: Waiting For Herb or Pogue Mahone

Post by pogues24 Wed Oct 28, 2009 4:07 pm

Waiting For Herb is one of the Pogues most underrated works. There are truly some great songs on the album (Tuesday Morning, Haunting, Drunken Boat) to name a few. Sure they were missing Shane MacGowan, but I thought Jem Finer filled the mold quite well. My only complaint was that three songs the Pogues recorded during this time were omitted off the album (Paris St. Germaine; a B-side, and North Sea Holes and Hot Asphalt; two Ewan MacColl covers.)

Re: Waiting For Herb or Pogue Mahone

Post by in_the_morning Fri Oct 09, 2009 8:52 pm

I don't own Waiting for Herb and Pogue Mahone, but I've listened to the demos ("My Baby's Gone", "Living in a world without her", "When the ship comes in", [...]) on the Box Set and then I checked out the album-versions on youtube. I liked most of the stuff, really. Spider's voice is really good and a nice alternation to Shane's very different vocal style (which I love, don't get me wrong). Especially "Living in a world without her" is brilliant, I think. The melody at the beginning is so magic! I think I am going to buy those last two missing albums for my collection when I've got some more money. Then I'm going to decide which one is better.

Re: Waiting For Herb or Pogue Mahone

Post by James Tue Oct 06, 2009 5:25 pm

Check your PMs.

Re: Waiting For Herb or Pogue Mahone

Post by obsoleteshock Tue Oct 06, 2009 5:15 pm

Smerker wrote:How about a bit of Big Audio Dynamite? They had some classics.


Yeah, I've delved into them a bit, and I like some of the recent Carbon/Silicon stuff that Mick Jones has done. I was always more of a Strummer fan, though. I thought Mick Jones complimented him perfectly, but I never liked his voice alone nearly as much as Strummer's (Lost in the Supermarket and Train in Vain being the biggest exceptions to this rule). I'm really hoping they open up the Strummer archives at some point and let out any demos he may have produced during his "wilderness years."

Re: Waiting For Herb or Pogue Mahone

Post by James Tue Oct 06, 2009 3:02 pm

How about a bit of Big Audio Dynamite? They had some classics.

Re: Waiting For Herb or Pogue Mahone

Post by obsoleteshock Tue Oct 06, 2009 3:30 am

Smerker wrote:
obsoleteshock wrote: Of all of the songs I've listened to so far, Tuesday Afternoon is easily the most memorable of all of them


Haha, irony. :wink: How did you rate the Smell of Gasoline? I'm partial to a bit of Happily Ever After...


That's what happens when you try to edit while typing without reading over everything afterwards.

I need to get both albums loaded in my iPod so I can listen to them in the car and really absorb each album and actually see the song titles, but so far I can't believe how much I prefer Waiting for Herb to Pogue Mahone. It's not even a contest, so far. I'm really trying to savor these, though, because after this, it is the boxed set, then I'm finished with The Pogues unless they ever release anything else. I was bummed for a few weeks after I finished absorbing the last of The Clash/Joe Strummer and realized there would never be any more.

Re: Waiting For Herb or Pogue Mahone

Post by James Mon Oct 05, 2009 5:06 pm

Smerker wrote:
obsoleteshock wrote: Of all of the songs I've listened to so far, Tuesday Afternoon is easily the most memorable of all of them


Haha, irony. :wink: How did you rate the Smell of Gasoline? I'm partial to a bit of Happily Ever After...


God, I always seem like a bitch when I read these sort of things back.

Waiting For Herb's a well underrated album.

Re: Waiting For Herb or Pogue Mahone

Post by James Mon Oct 05, 2009 12:08 pm

obsoleteshock wrote: Of all of the songs I've listened to so far, Tuesday Afternoon is easily the most memorable of all of them


Haha, irony. :wink: How did you rate the Smell of Gasoline? I'm partial to a bit of Happily Ever After...

Re: Waiting For Herb or Pogue Mahone

Post by obsoleteshock Mon Oct 05, 2009 1:28 am

I just received both discs in the mail, after learning of their existance on this board from Mr. Chevron (I already had the five "Shane" discs). I have to say that so far, Waiting for Herb is the frontrunner, though I need to fully absorb both before making a final judgement. Of all of the songs I've listened to so far, Tuesday Afternoon is easily the most memorable of all of them and will surely make it onto any future Best of The Pogues playlists that I put together (along with a track or two from "The Snake," which I also just received in the mail. I like Spider's voice a lot, and I had lowered my expectations because of a lot of the talk on the board, so I must say I'm pleasantly surprised so far. I'll report back with a full review after I've had some time to digest both.

Post by Pyro Wed Apr 05, 2006 4:25 am

Michaelo wrote:
guest wrote:Tuesday Morning is a great song but so is drunken boat, my baby's gone...I would love to have heard more from Spider, james and Andrew as song writers. For what it's worth, i thought spider was areally class lead singer by the time i saw them at Leeds heineken festival. They were all brilliant and really, really powerful. A big change from when i had seen them last with a stroppy looking shane at the mike... I don't know why every one was so down on them. to be honest that was one of the best gigs i ever saw.

I agree about wanting to hear more from Spider and Andrew as writers. I also think that Jem had developed into a truly great songwriter by the last couple of albums. If he had been in any other band (and not stuck with living in Shane's shadow) he would be a lot better known as a great songwriter.


I couldn´t agree more. He is the only person along with E.A.Poe whose verses strike my heart.

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