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  • Quote Kilmichael

Re: Pogues Sessions

Post by Kilmichael Fri May 22, 2015 6:59 pm

Low D wrote:
Kilmichael wrote:
OWEI wrote:I've only just stumbled across this thread - utterly marvellous :-)

Could someone please point me in the right direction to find the BBC sessions?
Ta.

Hi OWEI, glad this thread is still of interest to people. I've often thought of finishing it but too be honest without dear Phil's input I'm not sure how accurate it would be.

As far as the radio sessions, the complete Peel sessions (both from 1984) and the Kid Jensen session (also 1984) circulate amongst fans, but I've never seen the full versions of the 2 Janice Long sessions (from 1985 and 1986). I believe at one time the band were planning to release the complete sessions on CD but it never materialised.


Somewhere on this forum, when asked, Phil said the box set mooted that release. "Moot", apparently NOT meaning if they released it WE, at least, would all buy a copy.

Yeah, shame that never materialised. Can't see it happening now.
There's also a couple of radio session from 1994-5, with Spider on vocs, which would have made welcome additions to any CD release.
[quote="Low D"][quote="Kilmichael"][quote="OWEI"]I've only just stumbled across this thread - utterly marvellous :-)

Could someone please point me in the right direction to find the BBC sessions?
Ta.[/quote]
Hi OWEI, glad this thread is still of interest to people. I've often thought of finishing it but too be honest without dear Phil's input I'm not sure how accurate it would be.

As far as the radio sessions, the complete Peel sessions (both from 1984) and the Kid Jensen session (also 1984) circulate amongst fans, but I've never seen the full versions of the 2 Janice Long sessions (from 1985 and 1986). I believe at one time the band were planning to release the complete sessions on CD but it never materialised.[/quote]

Somewhere on this forum, when asked, Phil said the box set mooted that release. "Moot", apparently NOT meaning if they released it WE, at least, would all buy a copy.[/quote]
Yeah, shame that never materialised. Can't see it happening now.
There's also a couple of radio session from 1994-5, with Spider on vocs, which would have made welcome additions to any CD release.
  • Quote Low D

Re: Pogues Sessions

Post by Low D Fri May 22, 2015 6:24 pm

Kilmichael wrote:
OWEI wrote:I've only just stumbled across this thread - utterly marvellous :-)

Could someone please point me in the right direction to find the BBC sessions?
Ta.

Hi OWEI, glad this thread is still of interest to people. I've often thought of finishing it but too be honest without dear Phil's input I'm not sure how accurate it would be.

As far as the radio sessions, the complete Peel sessions (both from 1984) and the Kid Jensen session (also 1984) circulate amongst fans, but I've never seen the full versions of the 2 Janice Long sessions (from 1985 and 1986). I believe at one time the band were planning to release the complete sessions on CD but it never materialised.


Somewhere on this forum, when asked, Phil said the box set mooted that release. "Moot", apparently NOT meaning if they released it WE, at least, would all buy a copy.
[quote="Kilmichael"][quote="OWEI"]I've only just stumbled across this thread - utterly marvellous :-)

Could someone please point me in the right direction to find the BBC sessions?
Ta.[/quote]
Hi OWEI, glad this thread is still of interest to people. I've often thought of finishing it but too be honest without dear Phil's input I'm not sure how accurate it would be.

As far as the radio sessions, the complete Peel sessions (both from 1984) and the Kid Jensen session (also 1984) circulate amongst fans, but I've never seen the full versions of the 2 Janice Long sessions (from 1985 and 1986). I believe at one time the band were planning to release the complete sessions on CD but it never materialised.[/quote]

Somewhere on this forum, when asked, Phil said the box set mooted that release. "Moot", apparently NOT meaning if they released it WE, at least, would all buy a copy.
  • Quote Kilmichael

Re: Pogues Sessions

Post by Kilmichael Fri May 22, 2015 6:01 pm

OWEI wrote:I've only just stumbled across this thread - utterly marvellous :-)

Could someone please point me in the right direction to find the BBC sessions?
Ta.

Hi OWEI, glad this thread is still of interest to people. I've often thought of finishing it but too be honest without dear Phil's input I'm not sure how accurate it would be.

As far as the radio sessions, the complete Peel sessions (both from 1984) and the Kid Jensen session (also 1984) circulate amongst fans, but I've never seen the full versions of the 2 Janice Long sessions (from 1985 and 1986). I believe at one time the band were planning to release the complete sessions on CD but it never materialised.
[quote="OWEI"]I've only just stumbled across this thread - utterly marvellous :-)

Could someone please point me in the right direction to find the BBC sessions?
Ta.[/quote]
Hi OWEI, glad this thread is still of interest to people. I've often thought of finishing it but too be honest without dear Phil's input I'm not sure how accurate it would be.

As far as the radio sessions, the complete Peel sessions (both from 1984) and the Kid Jensen session (also 1984) circulate amongst fans, but I've never seen the full versions of the 2 Janice Long sessions (from 1985 and 1986). I believe at one time the band were planning to release the complete sessions on CD but it never materialised.
  • Quote Low D

Re: Pogues Sessions

Post by Low D Tue May 12, 2015 10:18 pm

OWEI wrote:I've only just stumbled across this thread - utterly marvellous :-)

Could someone please point me in the right direction to find the BBC sessions?
Ta.


Some of them ended up on the box set, you can check the tracklist notes here:
http://www.discogs.com/Pogues-Just-Look ... se/1569315

Actually, i see now Kilmichael has listed in his notes which those were.

I have a LOT of Pogues bootlegs downloaded and traded over the years, and they include very few studio sessions. I guess Pogues fans were all out at the pub, not at home taping off the radio!
[quote="OWEI"]I've only just stumbled across this thread - utterly marvellous :-)

Could someone please point me in the right direction to find the BBC sessions?
Ta.[/quote]

Some of them ended up on the box set, you can check the tracklist notes here:
http://www.discogs.com/Pogues-Just-Look-Them-Straight-In-The-Eye-And-Say-Poguemahone-The-Pogues-Box-Set/release/1569315

Actually, i see now Kilmichael has listed in his notes which those were.

I have a LOT of Pogues bootlegs downloaded and traded over the years, and they include very few studio sessions. I guess Pogues fans were all out at the pub, not at home taping off the radio!
  • Quote OWEI

Re: Pogues Sessions

Post by OWEI Mon May 11, 2015 5:33 pm

I've only just stumbled across this thread - utterly marvellous :-)

Could someone please point me in the right direction to find the BBC sessions?
Ta.
I've only just stumbled across this thread - utterly marvellous :-)

Could someone please point me in the right direction to find the BBC sessions?
Ta.
  • Quote Kilmichael

Re: Pogues Sessions

Post by Kilmichael Wed Apr 08, 2009 1:54 pm

I will complete this, I assure you, one day...!!!
I [u][i][b]will [/b][/i][/u]complete this, I assure you, one day...!!!
  • Quote Fr. McGreer

Re: Pogues Sessions

Post by Fr. McGreer Tue Mar 31, 2009 12:01 am

Low D wrote: I think maybe we need a support group.


Contact Spider, he books the support groups :lol: :lol:
[quote="Low D"] I think maybe we need a support group.[/quote]

Contact Spider, he books the support groups :lol: :lol:
  • Quote Low D

Re: Pogues Sessions

Post by Low D Mon Mar 30, 2009 2:15 am

Kilmichael wrote:
Hone Mapogue wrote:Is Kilmichael still out there? I was hoping he'd continue this series.


Hi, yep I'm still here! Just been mad busy with other things over the last few weeks, but I'll carry on where I left off as soon as I can!
:wink:


I've only just read this thread now. I must say it's the pinnicle of obsessive geekiness.

Which is to say i read the whole thing with great interest and will be cutting & pasting it into one text document and making many a mix cd in the near future, no doubt... I think maybe we need a support group. Or is that what this is?
[quote="Kilmichael"][quote="Hone Mapogue"]Is Kilmichael still out there? I was hoping he'd continue this series.[/quote]

Hi, yep I'm still here! Just been [i][b]mad[/b][/i] busy with other things over the last few weeks, but I'll carry on where I left off as soon as I can!
:wink:[/quote]

I've only just read this thread now. I must say it's the pinnicle of obsessive geekiness.

Which is to say i read the whole thing with great interest and will be cutting & pasting it into one text document and making many a mix cd in the near future, no doubt... I think maybe we need a support group. Or is that what this is?
  • Quote Alistair Mitchell

Re: Pogues Sessions

Post by Alistair Mitchell Sun Mar 29, 2009 11:10 pm

Live
30/31 October 1988, MZA Ariake, Tokyo
1. Japan (3:02)
Produced by Paul Scully


Im actually lucky enough to have that full gig :D
but does anyone know the correct order of the songs lol ?
would help me alot :)
Live
30/31 October 1988, MZA Ariake, Tokyo
1. Japan (3:02)
Produced by Paul Scully


Im actually lucky enough to have that full gig :D
but does anyone know the correct order of the songs lol ?
would help me alot :)
  • Quote mats

Re: Pogues Sessions

Post by mats Mon Jan 05, 2009 8:28 pm

When this is finished I think it should be permanentaly included in the discography section. You´ve done a great job and too important to be be forgotten as an old post.
When this is finished I think it should be permanentaly included in the discography section. You´ve done a great job and too important to be be forgotten as an old post.
  • Quote Kilmichael

Re: Pogues Sessions

Post by Kilmichael Mon Jan 05, 2009 12:29 pm

Hone Mapogue wrote:Is Kilmichael still out there? I was hoping he'd continue this series.


Hi, yep I'm still here! Just been mad busy with other things over the last few weeks, but I'll carry on where I left off as soon as I can!
:wink:
[quote="Hone Mapogue"]Is Kilmichael still out there? I was hoping he'd continue this series.[/quote]

Hi, yep I'm still here! Just been [i][b]mad[/b][/i] busy with other things over the last few weeks, but I'll carry on where I left off as soon as I can!
:wink:
  • Quote Hone Mapogue

Re: Pogues Sessions

Post by Hone Mapogue Tue Dec 30, 2008 3:07 am

Is Kilmichael still out there? I was hoping he'd continue this series.
Is Kilmichael still out there? I was hoping he'd continue this series.
  • Quote philipchevron

Re: Pogues Sessions

Post by philipchevron Fri Oct 17, 2008 4:00 pm

Kilmichael wrote:
Interestingly, I'm fairly certain that when you played White City at Manchester Apollo on the first reunion tour in 2001, you did the 'remix' version, with you and Daryll (I think) doing dome lovely "ooooh wooooh oooohs' on the chorus.


I may have been referring to "Lorelei", who knows? The "single version" of "White City" (with the Curragh Of Kildare BVs) did not survive for long on the 2001 tour. The rhythm guitar part on that song is murder and multitasking has never helped to nail it down accurately, in addition to which the song's key (G Major) is not particularly comfortable for the falsetto "oohs" required.
[quote="Kilmichael"]

Interestingly, I'm fairly certain that when you played White City at Manchester Apollo on the first reunion tour in 2001, you did the 'remix' version, with you and Daryll (I think) doing dome lovely "ooooh wooooh oooohs' on the chorus.[/quote]

I may have been referring to "Lorelei", who knows? The "single version" of "White City" (with the Curragh Of Kildare BVs) did not survive for long on the 2001 tour. The rhythm guitar part on that song is murder and multitasking has never helped to nail it down accurately, in addition to which the song's key (G Major) is not particularly comfortable for the falsetto "oohs" required.
  • Quote Kilmichael

Re: Pogues Sessions

Post by Kilmichael Fri Oct 17, 2008 2:43 pm

philipchevron wrote:
Kilmichael wrote:
philipchevron wrote:"Yeah several times" was recorded at RAK, yes. The sessions to make singles of "If I Should Fall" and "Fiesta" were separate (and later) undertakings, though using the same raw materials as the Fall From Grace album. "Sketches Of Spain" was done at the "Fiesta" session. I don't know about the "Fiesta" CD without delving into the archive which is currently inaccessible to me. There are, I believe, two versions of the Steve Earle thing, single and album versions.


Thanks Philip, amended accordingly. Can't believe I forgot about the single version of 'Johnny' - not heard it for a while but from memory it's pretty much the same as the album version but fades out more quickly. It's the 'White City' single mix next - do you recall if your and Kirty's backing vocals were done during the 'P&L' sessions or added as overdubs later?


No, cannot recall that, though they are likely to have been added later. I had also forgotten that Kirsty shared those BVs with me, though if you say it's so, you must have good cause to believe so. And indeed, I had completely forgotten that the single of "White City" was at all different from the album version. I really MUST play my own singles some day!


Well, the reason I thought Kirsty sang on it was coz of a very sarcastic post made by a certain Philipchevron a while back, having a go at Warners for insisting that every track released as a single was remixed and included backing vox from Kirsty! Of course I can't find the bloody post now, but it was something along the lines of you quoting Warners as saying 'I know, let's remix it with some of those Philip & Kirsty harmonies, we can never get enough of them' or some such. Having listened to it again having read the post, it does sound like the two of you on backing vox on the chorus. And it definitely is a different version.

Interestingly, I'm fairly certain that when you played White City at Manchester Apollo on the first reunion tour in 2001, you did the 'remix' version, with you and Daryll (I think) doing dome lovely "ooooh wooooh oooohs' on the chorus.
[quote="philipchevron"][quote="Kilmichael"][quote="philipchevron"]"Yeah several times" was recorded at RAK, yes. The sessions to make singles of "If I Should Fall" and "Fiesta" were separate (and later) undertakings, though using the same raw materials as the [i]Fall From Grace[/i] album. "Sketches Of Spain" was done at the "Fiesta" session. I don't know about the "Fiesta" CD without delving into the archive which is currently inaccessible to me. There are, I believe, two versions of the Steve Earle thing, single and album versions.[/quote]

Thanks Philip, amended accordingly. Can't believe I forgot about the single version of 'Johnny' - not heard it for a while but from memory it's pretty much the same as the album version but fades out more quickly. It's the 'White City' single mix next - do you recall if your and Kirty's backing vocals were done during the 'P&L' sessions or added as overdubs later?[/quote]

No, cannot recall that, though they are likely to have been added later. I had also forgotten that Kirsty shared those BVs with me, though if you say it's so, you must have good cause to believe so. And indeed, I had completely forgotten that the single of "White City" was at all different from the album version. I really MUST play my own singles some day![/quote]

Well, the reason I thought Kirsty sang on it was coz of a very sarcastic post made by a certain Philipchevron a while back, having a go at Warners for insisting that every track released as a single was remixed and included backing vox from Kirsty! Of course I can't find the bloody post now, but it was something along the lines of you quoting Warners as saying 'I know, let's remix it with some of those Philip & Kirsty harmonies, we can never get enough of them' or some such. Having listened to it again having read the post, it does sound like the two of you on backing vox on the chorus. And it definitely is a different version.

Interestingly, I'm fairly certain that when you played White City at Manchester Apollo on the first reunion tour in 2001, you did the 'remix' version, with you and Daryll (I think) doing dome lovely "ooooh wooooh oooohs' on the chorus.
  • Quote philipchevron

Re: Pogues Sessions

Post by philipchevron Fri Oct 17, 2008 1:34 pm

Kilmichael wrote:
philipchevron wrote:"Yeah several times" was recorded at RAK, yes. The sessions to make singles of "If I Should Fall" and "Fiesta" were separate (and later) undertakings, though using the same raw materials as the Fall From Grace album. "Sketches Of Spain" was done at the "Fiesta" session. I don't know about the "Fiesta" CD without delving into the archive which is currently inaccessible to me. There are, I believe, two versions of the Steve Earle thing, single and album versions.


Thanks Philip, amended accordingly. Can't believe I forgot about the single version of 'Johnny' - not heard it for a while but from memory it's pretty much the same as the album version but fades out more quickly. It's the 'White City' single mix next - do you recall if your and Kirty's backing vocals were done during the 'P&L' sessions or added as overdubs later?


No, cannot recall that, though they are likely to have been added later. I had also forgotten that Kirsty shared those BVs with me, though if you say it's so, you must have good cause to believe so. And indeed, I had completely forgotten that the single of "White City" was at all different from the album version. I really MUST play my own singles some day!
[quote="Kilmichael"][quote="philipchevron"]"Yeah several times" was recorded at RAK, yes. The sessions to make singles of "If I Should Fall" and "Fiesta" were separate (and later) undertakings, though using the same raw materials as the [i]Fall From Grace[/i] album. "Sketches Of Spain" was done at the "Fiesta" session. I don't know about the "Fiesta" CD without delving into the archive which is currently inaccessible to me. There are, I believe, two versions of the Steve Earle thing, single and album versions.[/quote]

Thanks Philip, amended accordingly. Can't believe I forgot about the single version of 'Johnny' - not heard it for a while but from memory it's pretty much the same as the album version but fades out more quickly. It's the 'White City' single mix next - do you recall if your and Kirty's backing vocals were done during the 'P&L' sessions or added as overdubs later?[/quote]

No, cannot recall that, though they are likely to have been added later. I had also forgotten that Kirsty shared those BVs with me, though if you say it's so, you must have good cause to believe so. And indeed, I had completely forgotten that the single of "White City" was at all different from the album version. I really MUST play my own singles some day!

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